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Chris

Hi there!What a muddle hey!Do you have the marriage cert?Who were the witnesses?any clues with them?what was occupation of William on cert?

Michelle

Hi Michelle,
I am trying to unravel a William Rogers knot!
1 William Rogers baptised Green Norton 1826 son of THomas and Francis
2, William Rogers baptised Greens Norton 1826 illegitimate son of Mary.
One William died age 6 Greens Norton 1833. One William married in 1850 ( no fathers name on marriage cert!
3 William Rogers baptised 1827 Alderton (next village to Greens Norton)
The William I am trying to track married in 1850, other relations have done a tree looking as though our William had the father Thomas and mother Francis but I think it is more likely to be the illegitimate one. Another family member has tracked back the Alderton William but 'my' William has Greens Norton as his place of birth in later censuses. Where were any of these Williams in 1841, Can you find them. Another researcher told me some time ago that they were not in Greens Norton. I don't even know if finding them in 1841 would give me any more clues but maybe! Can you find anything?? At least one William survived to have been married in 1850 but which one??
Thanks
Chris

PS Both villages in Northamptonshire!

n

Wow, that's fantastic! Thank you so much. I never knew he sailed on the Andes - I was in the Sea Rangers in Bristol and we were named S.R.S. (= Sea Ranger Ship) Andes. I've still got the hat! I was in Southampton at university when the Andes sailed out on her final voyage - heard her hooters from the library and have always regretted not going down to the docks to see her go. Interesting - we think world travel has opened up with planes, but there have always been mariners spending much of their lives going round the world.
cheers, Linda

Linda

More!!!

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Ernest Davis
Name: Ernest Davis
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 29
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 5 Oct 1918
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: La Plata, Santos, Rio de Janeiro, Sierra Leone
Ship Name: Deseado
Search Ship Database: View the 'Deseado' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company Ltd
Official Number: 132022

Ernest listed as a Marine Officer
Address 52 Hill lane Southampton
Travelled from Rio di Janiero
Was living in Brazil

Linda

Another poss!same address as a previous 1

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Ernest Richard Davis
Name: Ernest Richard Davis
Birth Date: abt 1890
Age: 55
Port of Departure: Cape Town, South Africa
Arrival Date: 28 Jan 1945
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Cape Town
Ship Name: Andes
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Shipping Line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd
Official Number: 167337

Ernest travelled from Capetown to liverpool.Uk address Reedley Lindsay Rd,Bournemouth,Occupation-Master.Country of residence-England

Linda

Here is another 1 for you

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Capt Ernest Davis
Name: Capt Ernest Davis
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 44
Port of Departure: Barbados, Caribbean
Arrival Date: 28 May 1933
Port of Arrival: Bristol, England
Ports of Voyage: Barbados, Kingston, Santa Marta and Trinidad
Ship Name: Bayano
Search Ship Database: View the 'Bayano' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Elders & Fyffes Ltd
Official Number: 141870

travelling from Barbados address in UK "Darsena"Parkstone Avenue,Parkstone,Dorset.Occupation Master Cable Services aged 44 resident in England

Hi Michelle,
that's brilliant, thank you so much. The last 3 are him as his birthdate (sorry - forgot to give you that before!) was 4th Feb 1889. Interesting that my grandmother (born 2nd June 1894) was down as Elizabeth on the first list as she was actually christened Lizzie (much to her father's disgust apparently - he was away at sea at the time!) I didn't know he went to Halifax, N.S., but that's definitely him as the address is right. I have a lot of letters that he wrote to both his wife and my Mum during the war, but of course he wasn't allowed to say where he was. Interesting that he has a slightly older namesake! And yes, he was a busy man. I think he must have gone all over the world.
cheers, Linda

Linda

Could this be him?

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Ernest Richard Davis
Name: Ernest Richard Davis
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 53
Port of Departure: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Arrival Date: 27 May 1942
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ports of Voyage: Halifax
Ship Name: Banfora
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Shipping Line: Ministry of War Transport
Official Number: 168804

Listed as Master Mariner aged 53 address "Reedley"Lindsay Rd Bournmouth.
Country of last residence England.

Linda

here he is again-what a busy man!!

Travelling from Calleo arriving in Liverpool,address C/O West Coast Cable same address as previous record.travelled 1st class.Occupation Master Mariner aged 36.Travelling from Peru,future residence Foreign Country.
Travelling with him:

Lizzie A Davis aged 31 and Elizabeth L Davis aged 2

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Ernest R Davis
Name: Ernest R Davis
Birth Date: abt 1890
Age: 36
Port of Departure: South America
Arrival Date: 20 Feb 1926
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Valparaiso, Antofagsta, Mollendo, Iquique, Balboa, Havana, Cristobal, Coruna, Santander, Callao
Ship Name: Ortega
Search Ship Database: View the 'Ortega' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Pacific Steam Navigation Company
Official Number: 123976

linda

Found this 1 too-is this him?

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Ernest R Davis
Name: Ernest R Davis
Birth Date: abt 1889
Age: 33
Port of Departure: South America
Arrival Date: 17 May 1922
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Talcahuano, Valparaiso, Iquique, Antofagasta, Arica, Mollendo, Callao, Cristóbal, Havana, La Coruña
Ship Name: Oriana
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Shipping Line: Pacific Steam Navigation Company Ltd
Official Number: 123973

Port of Embarking Calleo,address in UK c/o Western Telegraph Co,Electra House,Moorgate,London listed as Cable officer travelled 1st Class aged 33 and living in Peru.Country of future residence England.
Travelling also was Elizabeth Davis housewife,married aged 27.

Linda

Here is 1 i found already and i will look for more.

Ernest travelled 1st Class and birthdate listed as 11-12-1883.He was listed occupation as Director.He travelled from Capetown and was listed as married.Place staying in UK was 5 Foustdale,Southgate,London N16.
He is listed as resident of S.Rhodesia and staying in UK for 4 months.
Also travelling-is their a connection?was a Mary Kathleen Davis birthdate 19-1-1911 travelled 1st class and listed as married staying at same address as Ernest.Listed as a housewife and also resident in S.Rhodesia and staying 4 months in UK.Both of the couple were in England to visit family,holiday and for pleasure and not business.

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
about Capt Ernest Richard Davis
Name: Capt Ernest Richard Davis
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1883
Age: 73
Port of Departure: London, England
Arrival Date: 11 Jul 1957
Port of Arrival: Plymouth, England
Ports of Voyage: London, Las Palmas, Cape Town, Port Elizabeth, East London and Durban
Ship Name: City of Port Elizabeth
Search Ship Database: View the 'City of Port Elizabeth' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Ellerman Lines
Official Number: 1917/01

Will see what else i can find.

michelle

thanks very much, i will look into them.
once again you turnup trumps
thanks

helen

Hi Michelle,
can I take up your offer to look up incoming passenger lists please? My mother and her parents travelled back to England from Peru and Brazil in the 1920s and 1930s, but I don't know how many times or on what ships. My mother was Elizabeth Louise Davis (known as Betty), born 30th Nov 1923. Her parents were Ernest Richard (Dick) Davis, possibly listed as Captain Davis, and Lizzie Alberta (Bertie) Davis. I have a list of my grandfather's employment record with the Western Telegraph Company from 1913 to March 1931 - he served on various cableships. This says that he left on leave on 3rd Aug 1918, arrived Rio 9th Aug, left Rio 25th Aug, arrived England 4th Oct 1918. He was also on leave from 1st Jan 1919 and left England 8th March 1919, and again left his ship on 19th April 1922, arrived England 19th May 1922. He and my grandmother were married 11th Feb 1922 in Peru, and there is a note that the company paid cost of wife's passage home and out in 1922. I think that would have been from Callao (Peru). He was on leave again from 23rd Jan 1926, arrived England 20th Feb 1926. On this occasion they travelled on the RMS Ortega, as I have 2 menu cards, and I assume my mother was with them - the staff log says that the company paid wife and child's fare England to Pernambuco (Brazil) and got a refund for unused portion Callao-England. Not quite sure what this means in terms of where they travelled from and to! There is a further note that my grandfather was on leave Feb 1930. I also know that my mother was sent home to boarding school when she was 8, while her mother accompanied her father round the world on his cableship, so I'm not even sure if her mother escorted her home before she disappeared for 3 years! That would have been in 1931 or 1932. I presume my grandparents, or at least my grandmother, reappeared in 1934 or 1935. My grandfather continued serving on cableships during the war, and presumably came home on leave occasionally, so he might turn up on passenger lists 1939-45. I was also told that on one of his voyages the ship was torpedoed and he spent 2 days in an open boat, but I have no more details and don't know if he was travelling to or from England on this occasion.

If you can find any information at all I'd be most grateful, especially as to which ships they travelled on.
very many thanks, Linda

Jane

Glad that was the right family.Let me know if you need any assitance again.

Happy searching!

Michelle

Yes they are the same family.Have just got results through from Docklands.
Thanks again Michelle

Thanks Michelle,
Thats the address on James William Campbells birth certificate..Will check the Dockland records for Lydia, Margaret & Sarah .No mention on census for a Phillis or Mary Ann.
Jane

Jane

The 1861 Census lets see what info that holds!

1861 England Census
about Sarah Campbell
Name: Sarah Campbell
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St George in The East

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
James W Campbell 18
Sarah Campbell 53

1861 England Census
about James W Campbell
Name: James W Campbell
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in The East

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 90
Household Members: Name Age
James W Campbell 18
Sarah Campbell 53

Sarah a Widow!

Address 10 Knights Court

So she was a Widow and lived at 10 Knights Court for the 1851-61 census records.

Jane

Here is the 1851 you requested

1851 England Census
about Sarah Campbell
Name: Sarah Campbell
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 7
Lydia Campbell 19
Margaret Campbell 16
Sarah Campbell 45
Sarah Campbell 21
Robert Croft 26

1851 England Census
about Sarah Campbell
Name: Sarah Campbell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 7
Lydia Campbell 19
Margaret Campbell 16
Sarah Campbell 45
Sarah Campbell 21
Robert Croft 26

1851 England Census
about Lydia Campbell
Name: Lydia Campbell
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 7
Lydia Campbell 19
Margaret Campbell 16
Sarah Campbell 45
Sarah Campbell 21
Robert Croft 26

1851 England Census
about Margaret Campbell
Name: Margaret Campbell
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 7
Lydia Campbell 19
Margaret Campbell 16
Sarah Campbell 45
Sarah Campbell 21
Robert Croft 26

1851 England Census
about James Campbell
Name: James Campbell
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: St George, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 7
Lydia Campbell 19
Margaret Campbell 16
Sarah Campbell 45
Sarah Campbell 21
Robert Croft 26

1851 England Census
about Robert Croft
Name: Robert Croft
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Wapping, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George in The East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
James Campbell 7
Lydia Campbell 19
Margaret Campbell 16
Sarah Campbell 45
Sarah Campbell 21
Robert Croft 26

Sarah looks like a Widow but there is just a W and not written as Widow and also does look like a U too!!So i will check the 1861 also.
Sarah daughter a Domestic
Lydia can't read the 1st word a Maker of somekind?writing is poor.

Address 10 Knight Court

Helen

Other possible children of John Joseph and Sarah

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Christopher Bowron
Name: Christopher Bowron
Year of Registration: 1911
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Metcalfe
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 473 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about George W Bowron
Name: George W Bowron
Year of Registration: 1920
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Mother's Maiden Name: Metcalfe
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 605 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about James W Bowron
Name: James W Bowron
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's Maiden Name: Metcalfe
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 465 (click to see others on page

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Harry Bowron
Name: Harry Bowron
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Metcalfe
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 308 (click to see others on page)