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Hi Michelle
Any Luck on James Murray...

Regards
Colin

Avril

I would advise you to check for him on the 1911 to get further with this.You do have to pay to view transcripts though as it is not on any subcription packages yet.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

Also check freeBMD for poss marriages-deaths

Colin

Just starting on yours now.I have had quite a few p'm's today and have had a big brick wall i had to work on earlier.You are next on my list.

Michelle

Colin

This is your problem there are quite a few possibles showing on the census records...

Name Year of Registration Quarter of Registration District County View Image Order Record
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William James Murray 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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James Murray 1889 Jan-Feb-Mar Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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James Murray 1889 Apr-May-Jun Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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James Murray 1889 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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James Murray 1888 Apr-May-Jun Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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James Murray 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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John James Murray 1888 Jul-Aug-Sep Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
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James Murray 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire
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James Murray 1890 Jul-Aug-Sep Bolton Greater Manchester, Lancashire
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There were no Harry James Murray's listed.The only way around this is to apply for each cert and ask for it to be cross checked for the parents names that you have.Or better still you could ring the local records office to the area and ask them to look for you.Alot of offices are happy to help with these types of searches and you are in a lucky position of having parents names.Ask them to search 1887-1890 for a James Murray with the parents names you have listed.

On the 1891 this family were living in the West Derby district

1891 England Census
about James Murray
Name: James Murray
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Murray 42
Sarah Murray 37
John Murray 11
Thomas Murray 9
James Murray 1
Mary Ann Hyslop 67
Thomas Hyslop 41

I don't hold the info from the birth records...only the Record Offices have this.So good luck and i am sure if you give them the names and a time scale to look at they will find them.I have advised people to do this same thing in the past with only 1 parent's name and they have been successful.There are too many to say which is the correct 1 and also birthyears on census records are listed as abt and are not always accuarate.Do you know when he died?Looking at the death record can sometimes help with birthyears?

Michelle

Hi Michelle , Thanks for that , Have come across most of this, will ring up the register office...I have an Uncle but for some reason he doesnt seem to want to help, my mothers brother...I understand some people do not like family tree's.will get there in the end ...
Thanks for your time , appreciated

Regards
Colin

Jeanette

Here is the marriage of the couple.Sadly they married after the 1901 census.So we cannot view them on the records to see their ages and birthplaces.We know Louisa is Bradford birthplace.

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
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Louisa Mary Abbott 1901 Medway (1837-1941) Kent


William Thomas Vaughan 1901 Medway (1837-1941) Kent

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about William Thomas Vaughan
Name: William Thomas Vaughan
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Medway (1837-1941)
County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1367 (click to see others on page)

thanks michelle thats great i never knew he was married twice

but i do have another you may be able to help me with
its george ellis born 1902 married senora appleby born 1905
they were married in1928and had a daughter joan ellis born1929
thanks again
helen

Hi Michelle
You very kindly helped me on my great grandmother Annie Hutchings, I have her birth cert back and it matches also the birth cert of my grandfathers younger brother which is a match so thankyou!!!!
I have got a bit further now all the puzzle slotting together but I am having trouble with the folllowing
Tracing Annies Older brother Albert, last on 1891
also her sister Lilian last on 1891. I think i have found Henry in 1911 married in Hackney, but for some reason they all scattered in 1901.
Also her mother Caroline Roff I can't seem to find, she was born prob around 1853 in Croydon and married Albert in 1873. Not sure if she died before 1901??
Grasping at straws as would really like to find some of my grandfathers cousins.
Any help you could give would be much appreciated!!!! Also if i want to cross check a cert can I ring the records office or do i send for the cert and they'll not send it if it doesn't match??
Thank you :-)
Corinne

hi michelle i have sent for the certificate for eleanor and serapio thanks once again. if you get time would you be able to find a mary morton for me she lived liverpool and married we think william her maiden name was cursley not sure if spelt right we also believe she was married and before morton was beech once again i need your help she had many children and we believe was put into rainhill hospital with post natal depression and died in there some of her children were olive edie robert and margi thankyou again take care angela

Terri

This looks like a poss for your Sarah Ann on the 1901?I found a marriage 1900 of a Sarah Ann and i thought this could be a possibility that she had married and was not seen on the 1901 for that reason.I think she did not marry Henry and they just said they were married to say face.

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
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Joshua Peniall Adcock 1900 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

Sarah Ann McPherson 1900 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Sarah Ann McPherson
Name: Sarah Ann McPherson
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 743 (click to see others on page)

We must only presume she left Henry and went on to marry this gentleman?Again this is a poss.I am hoping you will know this chap in the record as their is a poss family member lodging in the house on the 1901?

1901 England Census
about Joshua Adcock
Name: Joshua Adcock
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Adcock 54
Sarah Adcock 38
James Mc Pherson 52
Martha Hunter 63

1901 England Census
about Sarah Adcock
Name: Sarah Adcock
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joshua
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Adcock 54
Sarah Adcock 38
James Mc Pherson 52
Martha Hunter 63

1901 England Census
about James Mc Pherson
Name: James Mc Pherson
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Adcock 54
Sarah Adcock 38
James Mc Pherson 52
Martha Hunter 63

1901 England Census
about Martha Hunter
Name: Martha Hunter
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Friend
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentford

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
Joshua Adcock 54
Sarah Adcock 38
James Mc Pherson 52
Martha Hunter 63

Joshua and James both Gen Labourer's
James's birthplace listed as Brentford and crossed out and Bermondsey listed
Sarah's was dittoed for London and then Bermondsey written and crossed out,The transcriber would have taken the ditto markings as Rotherhitle i presume.

Address difficult to make out??could be 19 Bathey Street??not good writing on this image!

Will look for more.Let me know if you know this James?if not i will see if i can find his connection to this Sarah.

Angela

Any idea for birthyears for these people?Especially Mary?

Would be really helpful if you could.

Michelle

michelle dont know if you got the last message my baby daughter who is still up pressed keypad not much to go on i think mary was born around 1887 her daughter olive was born october1921 i know she was placed in rainhill in the late fortys as my mum can remember going to visit her thanks for replying going to try to get baby back to bed wish me luck

Angela

Good luck with your baby!!I know what its like with a little 1 climbing over you.I have a 2 year old...well she 3 at end of March.

Will take a look when i can...prob won't be tonight as i am busy on other's at mo.

Michelle

Terri

What a shame!!!back to the drawing board found the 1901 Sarah Ann with her brother James on the 1891!!

1891 England Census
about Sarah Ann Mc Pherson
Name: Sarah Ann Mc Pherson
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherhithe, London, England

Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Rotherhithe
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Mc Pherson 71
William Mc Pherson 46
James Mc Pherson 40
John Mc Pherson 38
Sarah Ann Mc Pherson 29
Jessie Eliz Ford 17

Shows how wrong you can be sometimes!!Sorry i will look again for you.

Michelle

Terri

Hi there found a poss marriage...clitching at straws now!!

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Sarah McPherson
Name: Sarah McPherson
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Mile End Old Town
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 732 (click to see others on page)


Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
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Roselina Coates 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
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Cornelius Lynch 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
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Sarah McPherson 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex
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Henry Stewart 1903 Mile End Old Town London, Middlesex

Did look at the 1911 and found this

HOUSEHOLD LYNCH SARAH Female 1866 age 45 living in St George in the East London
.
I can't access this record as i have no credits left.I can't say its her??Without being able to look at it.

Also found this poss

HOUSEHOLD LYNCH SARAH Female 1863 48 living in Mile End Old Town London

Narrowed it down to

1 results found. You searched for:
First names SARAH
First names Algorithm Exact
Last names LYNCH
Last names Algorithm Exact
Birth Year 1863
Birth Year +/- 3 years
Other person last names LYNCH
Other person last names Algorithm Exact
Other person first names CORNELIUS
Other person first names Algorithm Exact

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD LYNCH SARAH F 1866 45 St George in the East London

Might be worth a look!!I really don't know it maybe nothing.

I will come back to yours when i catch up on the others tomorrow.No sign of Fred as yet!

Helen ,Corinne and Angela

Sorry i didn't get round to yours tonight.Its getting late and i better get some zzzz..Will do yours when next online.

Michelle : )

Helen

Here is Senora

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Senora Appleby
Name: Senora Appleby
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Chester Le Street
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 518 (click to see others on page)

The marriage record.You may have to get the cert for this 1 Helen.There are a few George Ellis on the BMD born around same time and place.

They married as you said in 1928 Q3

George W Ellis married Senora Appleby marriage was reigstered in Auckland

Vol Number 10a Page Number 524

This is a good poss for the birth record for George based on the marriage record with the W middle initial

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about George William Ellis
Name: George William Ellis
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Auckland
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 272 (click to see others on page)

When you get the marriage cert it will state ages at marriage and father's names.I think it maybe a little risky to get the birth cert for George unless you are 100% certain he was born in Auckland in 1902.There are too many Ellis families to choose from on the 1901 and without any parents names or siblings it would be too risky.

Happy to help you once you get the cert.Certs can be ordered online from

www.gro.gov.uk cost is £7 per cert.

Michelle

Corinne

Hi Corinne and that's great news re the certs,so glad they were the right 1's!!

You can when ordering certs ask for them to be cross checked against parents names when ordering online i believe you just tick the boss and indicate the cross check.They will not send if their is no match.

Here is Caroline's marriage record

Albert James Hutchings 1873 Croydon Greater London, Kent, Surrey
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Caroline Roff 1873 Croydon Greater London, Kent, Surrey

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Caroline Roff
Name: Caroline Roff
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Croydon
County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 270 (click to see others on page)

Here she is on the 1891

1891 England Census
about Caroline Hutchings
Name: Caroline Hutchings
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Albert J
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: South Hackney Ward
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Albert J Hutchings 38
Caroline Hutchings 40
Albert J Hutchings 14
Annie L Hutchings 11
Henry C Hutchings 6
Lilian H Hutchings 2

Will check 1901 and for poss death now.

Corinne

I have found Lilian 1889 she is with her Uncle on the 1901.Her Uncle is Charles Hutchings...he is under Charles Hutching on the 1901.He is Albert's brother.Here is Charles on the 1861 showing he is brother of Albert

1861 England Census
about Charley Hutchings
Name: Charley Hutchings
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Fareham, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Fareham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Fareham
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Fareham
Sub registration district: Fareham
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 13
Household Members: Name Age
John Hutchings 33
Sarah Hutchings 30
Albert Hutchings 8
Edward Hutchings 5
Charley Hutchings 2
Jane Hutchings 3 Mo
Maria Bath 16
Henry Carter 30

And here is the 1901...Lilian is wrongly transcibed as Aunt to Charles!

1901 England Census
about Charles Hutching
Name: Charles Hutching
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Fareham, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints and St John the Baptist
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hutching 42
Annie Hutching 41
Annie Hutching 16
Alexander Hutching 15
Lilian Hutching 12

1901 England Census
about Annie Hutching
Name: Annie Hutching
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints and St John the Baptist
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hutching 42
Annie Hutching 41
Annie Hutching 16
Alexander Hutching 15
Lilian Hutching 12

1901 England Census
about Annie Hutching
Name: Annie Hutching
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Pimlico, London, England

Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints and St John the Baptist
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hutching 42
Annie Hutching 41
Annie Hutching 16
Alexander Hutching 15
Lilian Hutching 12

1901 England Census
about Alexander Hutching
Name: Alexander Hutching
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Pimlico, London, England

Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints and St John the Baptist
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hutching 42
Annie Hutching 41
Annie Hutching 16
Alexander Hutching 15
Lilian Hutching 12

Continue....

Corinne

1901 continued for Lilian

1901 England Census
about Lilian Hutching
Name: Lilian Hutching
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Aunt
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: New Windsor
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints and St John the Baptist
Town: New Windsor
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Windsor
Sub registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hutching 42
Annie Hutching 41
Annie Hutching 16
Alexander Hutching 15
Lilian Hutching 12


Charles a Livery Porter

Address 57 Alexandra Road.