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Nichola

I will take a look later tonight for you.Thanks for the info.

Michelle

Nichola

Looked for a while last night and nothing concrete yet...saw a few possibles for Flora...I will need to continue searching later this eve.I just wanted to ask you re the marriage cert of 1906 whether you had the occupations of all parties?The father's and also the married couple.Also were either of the father's listed as deceased?

Thanks

Michelle

Hello Michelle
I have contacted the person who saw the certificate and will let you know the answers to the questions as soon as she replies. Thanks again for looking as I know this is not an easy one to crack. Nichola

Hi Michelle
Re: the macquire/roberts
I have just found out info you require re their marriage. Robert Keith Mugquire aged 27 was a Fitter and living at 32 Lampton Road Hounslow. His father was Frederick Mugquire and he was a bricklayer. Flora Roberts aged 22 was a domestic servant living at 22 Bath Road Hounslow and her father was George Roberts a Private Soldier. I hope this helps. Thank you Nichola

Nichola

Thanks for the info...i havent had a chance to come online past few days..too busy in the real world!!
Will take a look for you later.

Michelle

Hi Michelle

Don't know if you can help but I have hit a brick wall. My husband's gt grandmother was Sarah Jane Jones b @ 1869, Thats the problem. She married George James Bridgeman in 1891. On 1891 census it states she was born Gilwin, possibly Gilwern, S Wales, 1901 census says Dyserth/Barmouth, writing not clear (must point out on 1901 census name is transcribed as BRIDGENA). Her father was called John Jones and on the marriage cert it states his occupation as Carman? She married George Bridgeman in Kentish Town, St Pancras, Middlesex. I have spent the last 6 months trying to trace Sarah Jane's roots. Would be ever so grateful if you could help me with my quest.

Nichola

I am not having much luck with this one.Did it say on the marriage cert whether either of the fathers were deceased? Also as i am so desperate for any lead with this 1 who were the witnesses to the marriage?They may hold a clue?

Michelle

Edna

Hi Edna!I think i maybe able to help you!I believe i have found Sarah Jane and her family on the 1881 Wales Census.Jones is never an easy surname to trace and even more difficult a Jones in Wales!
For your information here is the definition of a Carman:

Carmen were often employed by railway companies for local deliveries and collections of goods and parcels. Modern day van driver. Also sometimes someone who drove horse-drawn trams was called a Carman

1881 Census

1881 Wales Census
about Jno. Jones
Name: Jno. Jones
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Goods Haulier

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

1881 Wales Census
about Jane Jones
Name: Jane Jones
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Jno.
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Goods Haulier Wife

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

1881 Wales Census
about Sarah J. Jones
Name: Sarah J. Jones
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jno.
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

1881 Wales Census
about Elizth.A. Jones
Name: Elizth.A. Jones
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jno.
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

1881 Wales Census
about Wm. H. Jones
Name: Wm. H. Jones
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Jno.
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

Continue.....

Edna

1881 Census

1881 Wales Census
about Cliff Jones
Name: Cliff Jones
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jno.
Mother's Name: Jane
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

1881 Wales Census
about Edith Jones
Name: Edith Jones
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jno.
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Aberystruth
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Education: View image
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bedwellty
Sub-registration district: Aberystruth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno. Jones 31
Jane Jones 31
Sarah J. Jones 13
Elizth.A. Jones 10
Wm. H. Jones 8
Cliff Jones 5
Edith Jones 2

Edna

Hope that has helped and i will look for more on this family tomorrow.Looks good as a Carman is a Haulier.Also Sarah Jane not present with this family on the 1891.So again looks good

Michelle

Hi Michelle
Thanks for trying, I have asked my relative to check for you the witnesses etc. and will contact you as soon as I have details. Nichola

Gillian

Hi Gillian

I have been working on yours and this is what i have found.

Ok here is the 1881 of Hester-Esther-Florence...goes under a few names!She is listed as married here but no husband is present in the home.There was a little confusion as her age was listed as older than the 1901 census when she was Willard.I have compared both census records and i am certain this is Hester.I also believe her age on the 1881 to be the accurate age.I think she listed herself as younger on the 1901 as her 2nd husband was younger than her.

1881

1881 England Census
about Esther Fuller
Name: Esther Fuller
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Thurlow, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 53 Jupps Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Unemployed

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Fuller 29
Edward Fuller 4
Flora Fuller 2
Herbert Fuller 1
Ann Radford 56

1881 England Census
about Edward Fuller
Name: Edward Fuller
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: Battersea, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 53 Jupps Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Fuller 29
Edward Fuller 4
Flora Fuller 2
Herbert Fuller 1
Ann Radford 56

1881 England Census
about Flora Fuller
Name: Flora Fuller
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Female
Where born: Long Acre, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 53 Jupps Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Fuller 29
Edward Fuller 4
Flora Fuller 2
Herbert Fuller 1
Ann Radford 56

1881 England Census
about Herbert Fuller
Name: Herbert Fuller
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Male
Where born: Notting Hill, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 53 Jupps Rd
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Fuller 29
Edward Fuller 4
Flora Fuller 2
Herbert Fuller 1
Ann Radford 56

1881 England Census
about Ann Radford
Name: Ann Radford
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Mother in Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Cambridgeshire, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 53 Jupps Rd
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Unemployed

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Fuller 29
Edward Fuller 4
Flora Fuller 2
Herbert Fuller 1
Ann Radford 56

Then based on this i took the tradition route!and thought the husband maybe Edward after 1st son.

Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County View Image Order Record
View Record
Edward Fuller 1876 Lambeth Greater London, London, Surrey
View Record

Hester Radford 1876 Lambeth Greater London, London, Surrey
View Record

Found this marriage in 1876. Based on Ann Radford being Hester's mother.

More to follow....

Gillian

Then i looked for a death of Edward after 1881 and before her 2nd marriage in 1895. I looked in Wandsworth area as this is where she was on the 1901 census.

I wondered if this could be Edward and as his 1st son also had the Frederick middle name, could be possible?


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Edward Frederick Fuller
Name: Edward Frederick Fuller
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 39
District: Wandsworth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 538 (click to see others on page)

Gillian

Here is a Christening record for Hester Radford showing the mother Anne

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
about Hester Radford
Name: Hester Radford
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1852
Christening Date: 25 Dec 1852
Christening Place: Little Thurlow, Suffolk, England
Mother's Name: Anne Radford

Gillian

I cannot say how Edward died. This would be listed on the death certificate.It might be an idea to get this cert and see who registered the death.This would hopefully then show for sure whether this is the correct husband for Esther.

I will take a look at your other queries.

Michelle

Edna

Here is the 1891 you requested for John Jones

1891 Wales Census
about John Jones
Name: John Jones
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Brecon, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brynmawr
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 43
Jane Jones 42
Lizzie Jones 20
Olive Jones 14
Edith Jones 12
George Jones 10

1891 Wales Census
about Jane Jones
Name: Jane Jones
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brynmawr
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 43
Jane Jones 42
Lizzie Jones 20
Olive Jones 14
Edith Jones 12
George Jones 10

1891 Wales Census
about Lizzie Jones
Name: Lizzie Jones
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brynmawr
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 43
Jane Jones 42
Lizzie Jones 20
Olive Jones 14
Edith Jones 12
George Jones 10

1891 Wales Census
about Olive Jones
Name: Olive Jones
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brynmawr
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 43
Jane Jones 42
Lizzie Jones 20
Olive Jones 14
Edith Jones 12
George Jones 10

1891 Wales Census
about Edith Jones
Name: Edith Jones
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Gilwern, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brynmawr
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 43
Jane Jones 42
Lizzie Jones 20
Olive Jones 14
Edith Jones 12
George Jones 10

Continue....

Edna

1891 continued....


1891 Wales Census
about George Jones
Name: George Jones
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Brynmawr, Breconshire, Wales

Civil parish: Llangattock
Ecclesiastical parish: Brynmawr
Town: Brynmawr
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image

Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llangattock
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 43
Jane Jones 42
Lizzie Jones 20
Olive Jones 14
Edith Jones 12
George Jones 10

John Jones LTW Railway Carter the W could be a T??
Lizzie a Cook
Olive a Servant

Address 18 Boundary Street

Edna

1871 of John and Jane and Sarah Jane

1871 Wales Census
about John Jones
Name: John Jones
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Brecon, Brecknockshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanelly
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 23
Jane Jones 26
Sarah J Jones 2

1871 Wales Census
about Jane Jones
Name: Jane Jones
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Brecknockshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanelly
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 23
Jane Jones 26
Sarah J Jones 2

1871 Wales Census
about Sarah J Jones
Name: Sarah J Jones
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Female
Where born: Llanelly, Brecknockshire, Wales
Civil parish: Llanelly
County/Island: Breconshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Crickhowell
Sub-registration district: Llanelly
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
John Jones 23
Jane Jones 26
Sarah J Jones 2

John a Haulier

Address is hard to read...sorry

Gillian

Getting the children's birth cert will show you also who the father was by the way.

With reference to Ellen and Edward there are too many choices to know which were their children.No children listed after 1911 with the mother's maiden name.

Best bet is to ask Records Office for a search with Ellen and Edward's names and any children born in Wandsworth area between 1902-1911.

To get the parents of Edward (if i do have the correct husband for Esther) you would need to get the marriage cert using the record i found and it will list the father's names.Also this would be a good way to check you have the correct marriage.

Michelle

Hi Michelle
Re: Macquire and Roberts. The fathers were not listed as deceased, and the witnesses were N Harris and ?YP Sheppard the first letter is difficult to read. I hope this helps speak soon. Thank you Nichola