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Hi Margaret

Thanks a million for all this info!!

I wonder if I can be really cheeky and ask another couple of questions?

RICHARD FOX Can you tell me what old year means? I have a note about a will dated 1741? Can you throw any light on that? Any idea of birth year?


RICHARD FOX b 1760 d 1819 Did he marry and have children?

THOMAS b 1762 d 1835 re-married 1802. Assume you mean FOX not Smith? Did he and Ann Hayes have any children?


THOMAS + MARTHA

Can you give me any info on other children ie. Thomas b 1787, Elizabeth b 1793, Sussanah b 1795, Charlotte b 1798 and George b 1800. I think I have some for the males but the girls are harder to track down after marriage!!?

Last one!!! Does buried Swalcliffe mean the churchyard?

Thanks again in advance!

Regards
Jane

Hi Margaret,

First of all Thankyou again for your help with the Bachelor family..

Please could you find birth details of Mary Ann Messenger c.1817 Woodstock. & details of her parents..Father Thomas c.1791 & Kitty ? c.1796

On the 1841 Thomas is with partner Kitty.in Thame..

Thomas & Kitty both died before the 1851.,so I haven't been able to establish their actual areas of birth..

Thanking you,

Regards,
Eunice

JANE

Richard Fox married inSwalcliffe 26/4/1725 Hannah Busby, Richard was buried 19/1/1745 old year, of Burdrop inSwalcliffe. Hannah was buried 15/10/1768 Swalcliffe

they had

John bapt 9/11/1727 Swalcliffe
can find no other children.

JOHN FOX bapt 9/11/1727 of Burdrop bap Swalcliffe married 30/10/1758
in Swalcliffe witnesses Richard Gibbard, Nathan Walker by License
his bride
Elizabeth French wasof Swalcliffe when married she was buried 16/5/1781 in Swalcliffe
John 1727 was buried 23/5/1809 in Swalcliffe

They had

Richard bapt18/5/1760 Swalcliffe buried 25/5/1819 59 yrs of Swalcliffe

Thomas bapt 25/3/1762 Swalcliffe
John bapt 16/9/1764 of Burdrop

John bapt 25/12/1766 who married Mercy Carpenter 14/2/1798 inSwalcliffe witnesses Daniel Williams,John Hone by Banns


JOHN FOX bapt 25/12/1766 Swalcliffe married as above
he was buried 23/3/1835 aged 71 yrs of Burdrop in Swalcliffe

Mercy his wife was buried 8/4/1833 aged 71 yrs of Sibford Gower in Swalcliffe

they had

George bapt 15/4/1798 bur Swalcliffe 28/4/1798

Keziah private bapt 30/4/1799 rec'd into church 14/10/1799 Swalcliffe

Hannah private bapt 13/4/1801 rec'd intochurch 26/12/1802

Rhoda bapt 26/12/1802 Swalcliffe

Esther bapt 28/3/1806 Swalcliffe

THOMAS FOX bapt 25/3/1762 Swalcliffe brother of above John Fox
married 1/11/1784 Swalcliffe by banns witnesses John Morrey, Richard Fox.
his bride
Martha Smith who was buried 15/8/1802 Swalcliffe
Thomas Smith 1762 was buried 4/8/1835 aged 74yrs in Swalcliffe of sibford.

THOMAS SMITH as above remarried
Ann Hayes a widow in Swalcliffe 7/10/1802
witnesses Thomas Pearce, Nathan Barrett by License.

THOMAS FOX and MARTHA SMITH had the following children

Thomas bapt 6/6/1787 Swalcliffe

John bapt 11/7/1788 Swalcliffe

Richard no baptism but rec'd into church 6/1/1790 Swalcliffe

Elizabeth 17/10/1793 private bapt. rec'd into church 9/6/1794

Sussanah bapt21/12/1795 private bapt rec'd into church 18/10/1796

Charlotte bapt 1/1/1798 private bapt rec'd into church 17/4/1798

George bapt 24/10/1800 Swalcliffe as all above are.

I must say that the Richard entry above is a bit queer, as no parents are named on the rec'd into church as was normal, but as there is no baptism it is just a guess that he belongs to Thomas Fox and Martha. Leave him off if you are dissatisfied.

Also there is a burial for a John Fox 21/12/1790 Swalcliffe for an infant. the only one about that has been baptised is the 11/7/1788 one for Thomas Foxand Martha. but I think you descend from that baptism. so it is a mystery.

Please excuse weird typing, computer keeps leaving out spaces between words.... right pain.

LIZ REES

Harry Holifield 46 yrs bachelor Police Constable ofSouthmoor, Longworth Berks.
married
Helen RoseHall 44yrs spinster of Stadhampton

witnesses EricHolifield, Helen Hall, Mary Frances Hartley.

sorry no parents, and no baptisms after 1886 Stadhampton

GEORGE

John Loader was married 21/7/1722 in St Mary Witney to Mary Lay. they had
John baptised 28/9/1722 in Witney St Mary

John Loder bapt 28/9/1722 married 15/10/1741
Ann Hoskins inForestHill by License. John was of Marston Ann Hoskins of Iffley.

they had

Ann bapt 17/4/1744 Marston

John bapt 14/4/1745 Marston

Robert bapt 15/10/1746 Marston

Thomas Bapt 19/5/1751 Marston

Mary bapt 19/7/1753 Marston

William bapt 16/2/1755 Marston

Richard bapt 25/4/1756 Marston

Elizabeth bapt 14/1/1759

ROBERT LODER baptised 15/10/1746 Marston married Ann but not in Oxfordshire

they had

Robert baptised21/1/1776 Marston

William bapt 26/4/1778 Marston

William 1778 was buried 1818 aged 39 yrs and had married 8/12/1817 Yarnton Mary Lindsey by License

ROBERT LODER 21/1/1776 Marston Married Sarah,but not in Oxfordshire

theyhad

William baptised25/9/1803 Marston

Elizabeth bapt 15/6/1806 Marston

Robert bapt 21/2/1808 Marston

ROBERT LODER bapt 21/2/1808 married Ann Coppock in St Andrews Headington 9/11/1840 witnesses James Harding, Elizabeth coppock

Ann Coppock was the daughter of Thomas and Mary Coppock he a stonemason, and she had been baptised 29/12/1816 in St Andrew Headington

Ann Loder nee Coppock was buried 13/1/1857 aged 39 yrs in St Andrews Headington

There are Loders and Loaders in Sutton Courtney Abingdon previous to the earliest entry I have made, but the John Loader baptised there 17/1/1691 oldyear, married a Susanna and had one child there, I cannot find a burial for Susanna in Sutton Courtney, but she may have died elsewhere, leaving him free to marry Mary Lay 21/7/1722 in Witney St Mary,but I do not know anything for certain. So best not to go any further back.

Hope this is of assistance.

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Hi Margaret

My family is FOX

My Gr Gr Gr Grandad JOHN FOX b1788 Swalcliffe or Sibford Gower, married Jane Hall, Monks Kirby, Warwicks 1820. they had 7 children inc my Gr Gr Grandad GEORGE b 1823 Barford Warwicks.

I believe my Gr Gr Gr Gr Grandad to have been THOMAS FOX b 1762 also Swalcliffe married Martha Smith 1784 Epwell or Swalcliffe. Things get a bit vague for me from then, I think Thomas & Martha had 7 children but I don't have much info on John's b 1788 siblings or Thomas b 1762 parents (think they could be JOHN FOX b 1727 Swalcliffe and Elizabeth French)?

I would be very grateful if you could do some research for me. I have John b1788 on the 1861 census (Sibford Gower) and believe he died in 1863??

I would be interested in any deaths and where these, my ancesters could be buried.

Thanks in advance!

Regards
Jane

Hi again Margaret,

If your records go as far as 1935, please could you check this marriage?

I've tried FreeBMD but guess it hasn't been transcribed yet.

Harry Holifield married Helen (maiden name unknown) on 3rd March 1935, at Stadhampton.

I would really love to know Helen's maiden name, and any details of her parents, please.

Many thanks,
Sue

Karen Again,
Forgot to say in my excitment thanks for the nice clearly set out info, makes it so easy to read and understand.
Bye again.

Hi Margaret,
Can I say a big WOW and thanks so much, this is really interesting, so much detail and a 2nd marriage too, so many new names for me to chew over. Thanks again for your time and perseverance, I do appreciate it.
Good wishes Karen.

thank you very much for looking.
many thanks paul

KAREN

William Smith of Sandford married in Great Tew Hester Beal 4/11/1816 witnesses Maria Chiswell and unreadable Smith

William Smith a widower married Sandford St Martin Charlotte Paintin who was of Great Tew 13/11/1828.

In Sandford St Martin

Moses Smith married Mary Kench in Sandford St Martin 7/11/1775 witnesses Thomas Knibbs, Thomas Godson. both of this parish. Banns

They had the following children

27/10/1776 Hannah
7/3/1779 John
14/3/1781 Thomas
5/6/1785 Moses
3/2/1788 Mary
20/10/1793 WILLIAM
23/8/1795 Elah a son.

The William in capitals was the husband of Hester and Charlotte and father of the Benjamin baptised in Henley he also had the following in Sandford St Martin

1/9/1817 Alice
17/10/1820 John
3/2/1822 Moses

Here Esther was buried in Sandford St Martin31/3/1825 32 yrs of age

Now William 1793 re marries Charlotte Paintin in 1828
they have the following children in Sandford St Martin

29/6/1829 Hannah
30/6/1830 James
27/11/1831 George
21/3/1834 Jason
29/1/1837 Mary Ann Hannah

William Smith 1793 was a shoe maker or cordwainer.

Here are the BURIALS in Sandford St Martin of the family

Mary Smith 71 yrs 16/6/1824 ( mother of William Smith 1793) nee Kench

Esther Smith 32 yrs 31/3/1825 first wife of William Smith 1793

Moses Smith no age given 21/8/1808 perhaps the brother of Wm Smith 1793

Moses Smith 80 yrs 21/3/1834 the father of Wm Smith 1793

Charlotte Smith second wife of Wm Smith 1793 58 yrs 21/4/1857

William Smith himself 76 yrs 8/4/1869

Hope you felt this was of interest.

Hi Margaret

It appears to be that the Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Lamberth (a shepherd),is in fact the former Elizabeth Bachelor.(parents of Ann Lamberth 1833,George 1835 & Mary Ann 1837

I found them on the 1841 in Chinnor (as Lambirth)with John Bachelor(1821) & also found George Lambert (decribed as brother) with John Bachelor on the 1861.in Middlesex

So your suspicions were correct, she apparently did remarry after all

Regards,
Eunice

Hi Margaret,

Thankyou for your time.
I guess that Elizabeth could have been born in another county & also married in the same county.,maybe Buckinghamshire as it it is so close.

James settled in Thame & lived there for the rest of his life.
So his mother could have moved there as well.

As you say she could have possibly remarried..

Thankyou again,
Eunice.

Hi Margaret, and anyone else down Oxfordshire way, or at least with an interest in Oxfordshire records.
I'm looking for the family of a Benjamin Smith, born around 1817/1818, census records say place of birth Henley Oxfordshire (is this Henley on Thames?) Margaret has found me one with father William and mother Hester which sounds promising, I would like to know if it is possible to find a marriage record for William Smith and Hester and if they had other children. The other Oxfordshire area which bugs me is around the Whitchurch area, the names Richard and Dinah Smith crop up, all around the late 1700's and early to mid 1800's. Any info on BMD's which could be connected to my Benjamin would be much appreciated, also Pangbourne Berkshire has come up, just over the border I believe.
The info about William being a soldier is interesting if it is the right family, got me thinking what "fighting" would have been in progress at that time in our history, guess I'll have to have a "google"!!
Any more info I can provide to help your look ups I'll do my best to provide.
Thanks again
Good wishes Karen.

PAUL
Ihave looked through the Burford transcript and there is no Rolph mentioned, there is a Tuck but not a G Tuck.
I looked in the Holy Trinity Church Witney and there is a baptism for
Alfred Richard Rolfe 10/3/1875 son of Richard and Mary Anne a french polisher
There are a few Rolfes in Witney but nomention of your George Rolph 1908
I suggest you contact Oxfordshire Family History Society you can do so by email, google it, and ask them if they have any information about a children's home or workhouse burning down. they have masses of stuff and are good at research. I am sorry not to have been any betterhelp.Margaret Rose

EUNICE
If we suppose that when William Bachelor married he was 21yrs of age, and that Hannah bapt 28/5/1815 Chinnor was his first child,he married about a year before, so c1814, less 21yrs = birth c 1794 or 1795
There is a William buried in Chinnor 27/11/1828 of Henton age 34 yrs.
So there you have his burial.
I have looked at the marriage disc,and there is no record of William's marriage in Oxfordshire to Elizabeth.
I havelooked at the Bledlow parish registers online at Launchberry site,and no marriage there,I have looked at the fiche for Princes Risborough,and no marriage there.
So you could ask Bucks Family History Society for a look up for a marriage in Bucks.There is a marriage in Princes Risborough for James Bachelor to Mary Bowden 11/12/1819 bothof Longwick,which is not too far from Henton indeed just down the Lower Ickneild way..
I wonder as there is no record of a burial for Elizabeth Bachelor in Chinnor, perhaps she remarried, I will now have a quick look to see if she did so. If you hear no more, I cannot find one.
Sorry not to have any decent information, Margaret East

Hi Margaret,

Thankyou so much for all the info..
Definitely a very great help.
I thought that I would never get any further back on this family

I hope that you don't mind me asking but
could you possibly find a marriage for James's (1819),parents William Bachelor & Elizabeth.

Thankyou again,
Eunice

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