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Hi Margaret

Not sure why but I can't view any of your replies or tree, seems stuck on the first message I posted 7 hours ago which I am sure it more like 2 days. When I replied to you yesterday I did see your reply but its gone again I hope that is will appear now I am sending you another reply

Thanks so much for your help.

But I am starting to wonder if the names have got mixed up william said his father was John not that I can find him with any of them but increasingly it is looking like Joseph and Jane, I have found a Joseph Jane and son Charles 1851, then 1861 Jane widow Charles and John W, funny enough that is the name William give for the christening of 3 of his children I have also found a Joseph with a brother Thomas so it is looking a bit more promising, I just have to link them together, I found Sarah Ann Kirby with her Aunt elizabeth Pritchard nee Kirby.

Thanks again

Irene

IRENE
John Kirby born c 1770 Fritwell or Charlton on Otmoor at marriage
married 16/1/1797 Beckley to
Ann Coleman born c 1781 Probably Beckley
John was buried in Fringford 5/12/1855 aged 85 yrs
Ann his wife was buried in Fringford 13/8/1850 aged 79 yrs.
They had a son
John Kirby born c 1800 in Fritwell probably see 1851 census for father and son together in Fringford
John born 1800 married
Anne Franklin 10/11/1827 Fringford she was born in Hanwell
he was buried 24/5/1855 aged 55 yrs in Fringford
Ann his wife was buried 24/10/1845 aged 42 yrs
they had the following children baptised in Fringford
Edward 1/5/1829 buried 11/9/1850 aged 21 yrs in Fringford
Thomas 14/8/1831 married Caroline Whitten 1856 Fringford
John 20/7/1834 bured 13/11/1856 aged 22 yrs Fringford
Henry 13/11/1836 married Mary Ann Unknown
William 4/8/1839
Elizabeth 5/12/1851

Thomas Kirby baptised 14/8/1831 Fringford a Blacksmith
married 4/2/1856 Fringford to
Caroline whitten
Thomas was buried 4/10/1906 Fringford aed 76 yrs
at their marriagae Thomas was 24 yrs old, a blacksmith son of John a blacksmith
Caroline Whitten was 20yrs spinster daughter of Joseph a shepherd
Caroline was buried 15/6/1899 aged 63 yrs Fringford
they had the following children baptised in Fringford
John 9/8/1857 HIS SPONSORS WERE (Godparents) Catherine Mansfield and John Mansfield.. thus the Mansfield connection.
Henry 12/6/1859 buried 24/6/1859 an infant
Charles 5/8/1860
Sarah Elizabeth 12/4/1863
William in May 1865
Anne 7/10/1866 married 8/2/1893 in Fringford Charles Edward Mansfield 27 yrs bachelor of this parish son of Edwin Mansfield a labourer
Anne was 26 yrs spinster daughter of Thomas a blacksmith. witnesses Emma Mansfield. William Kirby
William 10/5/1868
Harriet 23/4/1871
Elizabeth 1/9/1872
Henry 22/8/1875

Charles Kirby a labourer baptised 5/8/1860 Fringford married 1883 Mary Anne Maria Unknown
they had the following children baptised in Fringford
Ellen Elizabeth 7/12/1884
Frederic 23/5/1886
Edith Annie 13/11/1887
Thomas Henry 4/12/1892
Jeffrey Arthur 21/6/1896

Henry Kirby a labourer was baptised 13/11/1836 Fringford
he married 1863 Fringford to Mary Ann Unknown
Henry was buried 23/1/1884 aged 46 yrs Fringford
Mary ann Unknown was buried 29/7/1867 agaed 27 yrs Fringford
they had the following childrenbaptised in Fringford
Elizabeth 20/3/1864
Mary Ann Tame 11/8/1867

I thing that the Mary Ann married to Henry Kirby was probably Mary ann Tame. but not looked it up. could do so if this is your set of ancestors.

Margaret Thanks a lot for that, I will keep this information handy as it could tie in, but I think at the moment I will look into the Joseph and Jane Whitton or Whetton, I have found in London christening for some of the children, 1 parent Harry & Lily, 1 parent William and Lily 3 for John William and Lily he married under Harry & on Census down as William also had William and Henry thrown in I know they are the same because I have them in 1891 & 1901 so confusing. But thanks for you help much appreciated.

Irene

I have just seen your reply Thanks Margaret I will now have a look, Joseph and Ann Kirby are now coming up instead of John, Hope I can sort them out.

Irene

Margaret, I am not sure why but the reply I sent doesn't show up here, I would like any information you may have on the Kirbys please, Thanks for your help its much appreciated.

Irene

IRENE best if I give you full details of Fringford, then you can make your own mind up
John Kirby born c 1770 Fritwell on 1851 census, at marriage from Charlton on Otmoor
he married in Beckley 16/1/1797
Ann Coleman born c 1781 probably in Beckley

John Kirby was buried 5/12/1855 aged 85 yrs in Fringford
Ann Kirby was buried 13/8/1850 aged 79 yrs in Fringford

You can find John Kirby c 1770 on the 1851 census with his widowed son John Kirby and all John junior's children living with them
Both John and John Kirby are Blacksmiths.

John junior Kirby was born according to the 1851 census in Croughton Northamptonshire about 1800
he married in Fringford 10/11/1827
Anne Franklin
John junior Kirby was buried in Fringford 24/5/1855 aged 55 yrs
his wife Ann was buried in Fringford 24/10/1845 aged 42 yrs

John junior Kirby and Anne his wife had the following children baptised in Fringford
Edward 1/5/1829 buried 11/9/1850 aged 21 yrs
Thomas 14/8/1831 married Caroline Whitten 1856 Fringford
JOHN 20/7/1834 BURIED FRINGFORD 13/11/1856 aged 22 yrs.
Henry 13/11/1836 married Mary Ann
William 4/8/1839
Elizabeth 5/12/1841
I have done the family tree further, but you may not feel this is the line to follow as both John Kirbys are Blacksmiths, and the son John Kirby 1834 was buried in 1856, I found a marriage for a John Kirby in 1853 in St Helens Abingdon, but he was a cordwainer as was his father John Kirby and they lived in Abingdon. so not the family you are seeking (Coachmen)
The Annie Kirby married to Charles Edward Mansfield was a daughter of Thomas Kirby the grandson on the 1851 living with his widowed grandfather John 1770 and father John 1800.
Let me know if you would like the small tree. Margaret

Thank you so much for your time and effort in looking Margaret, much appreciated, and who knows - I may yet discover a link with the later Coles family. Mystery about Albert Powell remains.

Thanks again
Sue

SUE
There is no baptism in Swerford for Albert Henry Powell only the ones I sent.
2/11/1807 Caroline daughter of William and Lucy Coles.
25/3/1811 Joseph son of above
27/11/1864 George son of Joseph and Mary, shoemaker, of Whitchurch Bucks
20/3/1868 William Joseph son of Daniel and Mary Eliza Coles , farmer of Swerford
28/12/1884 Frederic (sic) son of George and Victoria Ellen coles labourer of Swerford
26/12/1886 Ellen daughter as above.
These are the only Coles baptisms apart from the ones already sent.

Margaret, I wonder if you can help me, I have a William Kirby born about 1860 Oxford and Bicester in another census. he died 1909 aged 50. On his marriage he said his father was John Kirby coachman as William was. If I have the right death the informant was his sister Sarah Kirby living at the same address in Fulham, not one the family lived at. He is living in Fulham with his wife Lily Salmon plus children, I have all that but I can't find any William and Sarah with a father John in Oxfordshire at all.

Now another thing I have is Sarah Ann Kirby death in 1936 there is a service book got the death and dates match with the certificate, so is this Williams sister? The informant is a A Mansfield a cousin. By chance I have found that there is a Charles Edward Mansfield in Uxbridge in 1911 near where this informant lived in 1936, This wife name is Annie Kirby born in Fringford. I have found this Annie born 1867 with her father Thomas Kirby both born in Fringford.

So I am looking for a Sarah Ann Kirby born 1858 Oxford, William Kirby 1860 Oxford / Bicester who could have a cousin Annie born 1867 Fringford. Were John and thomas brothers. I have not found John with any one so would be please with any help you can give,

I should add I did find a Sarah Ann Kirby in Fulham with her mother Jane Kirby 1830 born Fringford now they did have William Kirby born 1893 Fulham, living with them in 1911, same age as William and Lilys son. It all looks so neat but I just haven't been able to prove any of it. I also wonder if you could find a marriage for a John Kirby to a Jane,

Sorry its long

Thank you in advance.

Irene

Thanks very much Margaret
Peter

Thank you so much Margaret for checking the burial of LYNE in 1833 and for coming up with a possible marriage. That small typing error in the newspaper changing 'Mr' to 'Mrs' had completely thrown us off the scent. Now we know it was William who had died.

Thank you for your time.
Jeff

SUE
Swerford
22/12/1923 George Henry Coles 30 yrs bachelor timber cutter son of Albert a timber cutter
Ella Jakeman 23 spinster daughter of Jesse Jakeman parish clerk
both of this parish by banns
witnesses Charles Edward French, Mabel Ellen Powell.

SWERFORD BAPTISMS
10/1/1926 Thelma Mary Eileen Powell daughter of William Henry and Mabel Ellen born 22/8/1925 of Redditch , he a needlepointer.

5/1/1930 Brian Lovell John Powell son of William Henry and Mabel Ellen born 14/4/1927 of Castle Street, Astrood Bank, Redditch, father a needlepointer.

SWERFORD a marriage that may be of interest
26/9/1918
Frank Reginald Goodchild 24 yr bachelor soldier of Reading
son of Arthur John Goodchild a guard
Winifred Mary Powell 30 yrs spinster. Tp. daughter of Harper Nugent.probably Powell, a mason
witnesses Edwin French, Edith Jane Powell.

SWERFORD BAPTISMS for COLES
22/2/1925 Roland Henry Coles son of George Henry and Ella of Swerford born 18/1/1925 father a woodman
23/5/1926 Vera Joan Coles daughter of George Henry and Ella of Swerford father a woodman born 29/4/1926

BAPTISM IN SWERFORD
27/11/1956 Brian Michael... Cole/Bambridge .....
son of William Cole of Blue Row, born 13/9/1942 father a fishmonger and
Idlian Helena Bambridge...(sic) might really be Lilian...
there are baptisms for Coles from 1886 backwards

JEFFREY
There is no burial for Mrs Lyne in Gt Tew
There is a burial on 2/4/1833 for William Line aged 76 yrs of Great Tew in Great Tew
There is a marriage
William Lyne married Little compton Glos Elizabeth Edginton of Salford Oxon 23/3/1772
there is a previous entry on this or another thread re Elizabeth Edginton..by myself.

Margaret
Perhaps you can help with a Swerford question.
I have Ella Jakeman and George Henry Coles or Cole married in Chipping Norton district in Dec qtr 1923; Ella was from Swerford and I wonder if the marriage took place there? And if so are there any baptisms for Cole/s any date ?
Also might you be able to check Powell baptisms from 1920 Albert Powell b 1923 and Thelma b 1925

Many thanks
Sue

Hello Margaret,

Thank you for your kind offer. I have a specific but unusual enquiry. Newspapers report that on 29th March 1833 "Mrs William LYNE" died in Great Tew, Oxfordshire and that she was formerly of Gloucestershire. We think she was buried at Great Tew, but do not know her first name. Would you be able to find out either through the burial or monumental inscription at Great Tew?
Any help would be fantastic.
Best wishes,
Jeff

PETER
St Giles Oxford City
William Chandler widower of this parish
Jane Benwell spinster of this parish
witnesses Henry T Tomkins Sarah Tomkins by banns
If Sarah Tomkins is a sister to Jane Benwell, her marriage may give the father's name.

Hi Margaret
Can i have the fathers name for a Jane Benwell she married a William Chandler in St Giles on 30th Oct 1836 hopefully it should be a William
Many thanks Peter

Margaret
Many thanks for all that information.
I thought with the parents marriage at Wantage that some baptisms may have taken place there but obviously Grove was on the doorstep. I can see my wife will want to visit the churchyard there.
What a pity that her direct ancestor, George Barwick [Barricks] 1843 isn't mentioned, yet his older sister 1841 and younger siblings, 1846 onwards are!
Thanks again for your effort.
Ken

KEN2
George Barwick and Ann had the following children baptised and buried in Grove.
Sarah born 25/9/1841 baptised 26/12/1841
Joseph born 23/2/1846 bp 22/3/1846
Walter bn 21/7/1848 bp 3/9/1848
his god parents were Stephen Clark, Charles Clark, Sarah Mills.
Charlotte bn 8/1/1850 bp 7/4/1850 her father was a railroad labourer
Emily bn 30/8/1852 bp 7/11/1852
her godparents were John Symonds, Mary Symonds
Jane bn 17/5/1855 bp 5/8/1855 her father was a labourer
Julia bn 28/8/1859 bp 16/10/1859 her father was a labourer


JULIA 1859 had an illegitimate daughter Minnie baptised privately 23/9/1880

BURIALS
Walter Barwick aged 27 yrs of Grove 15/4/1876
Jane Barwick aged 20 yrs 25/3/1876
Minnie Barwick aged 6 months 27/9/1880
Ann Barwick aged 73 yrs 19/1/1892
George Barwick aged 91 yrs 13/11/1901 of Wantage Union Workhouse.
Hope this is of interest.

Margaret
Do you have access to Grove/Wantage christenings 1840s?
My wife's great grandfather was born in Grove 9th Nov 1843. His birth name was registered as GEORGE BARRICKS but his name was actually George BARWICK. I wonder if he was chirstened. His parents, George & Ann [nee Mills] were married in Wantage 25 Dec 1840 - we have a copy of the marriage certificate.
George and Ann had 8 children all born in Grove from c1842 to 1859.
Any help would be appreciated. Thnaks
Ken