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SORTED!!! AS FAR AS IT CAN BE FOR NOW!!!
THANK YOU CHRISTINE, VERA AND MARGARET.
LET"S PUT THIS ONE TO BED!!
I am now fairly convinced that we will not find Jane and Robert. I don't think they wanted to be found by either of their spouses, .... and to our cost they, or the guardians of our history, made a pretty good job of it!
I don't think any further purpose will be served by searching for John Purvis either. Although obviously linked to the story somehow, via the Cuthbertsons; he was not my Elizabeth's father!
The Purvises, as a family, obviously do have a link with my research into the Hislops, Murdochs and Montgomerys, as do the Cuthbertsons but I need to think about it?
So thanks again for your input. There is loads of valuable stuff here. When I have evaluated, I may start a new, slightly different thread, so watch this space!!!
All the best. You have been great!!
Carole.

Hi Carole,
This should help......
http://www.familyhistory.uk.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=73

Regards Vera

Hello Carole.
Its 2.35 pm here in NZ. I have tried looking for piece numbers on the National Archives site previously for missing pieces. Not had much success possibly because I was doing something wrong.
Im sure if you ask on the tips board someoone will be able to help

Hello Margaret
I understand what you are saying so perhaps it is the late hour and my brain is addled? (It is actually almost 3:00 am here in Spain) .. But I couldn't find the missing parishes.
I really must read up on Piece Numbers, Folio Numbers etc. I'm a bit hazy as to what they are?

Carole

Is it possible Jane and family are missing from the 1861 census because there are parts of the census missing. Click onto the 1861 and scoll down . The missing are in RG 9 piece numbers You can find which parishes are missing on the National Archives online catalogue

I have just been back to scotlands people. Still can't read location but it is Mac..something, in the Parish of Gladsmuir, Haddingtonshire (modern speak = East Lothian). Gladsmuir is near Tranent.
Carole

Sorry Vera
I was in Jarrow!
Yes Robert Murdoch Montgomery, born June 12th 1859. Registered by David Montgomery June 15th 1859
I can't make out the exact location but it begins with an M and must have been near Tranent

Hi Carole,
I will have another look tomorrow Going a bit bug eyed :-)


Regards Vera

Carole, Can I just check with you about the year of birth for Robert Murdoch Montgomery........the one that should be with his Mum on the 1861, because he is no where else.

Regards Vera

At the moment Carole, I cannot think which way to go.....still looking though ...even tried Cuthbertson !!!

Regards V

If Jane took Robert Murdoch Montgomery with her; and she might have done ... he is not with his 'father' in 1861.... nor does there seem to be any record of him being anywhere in Scotland. Nor is there any record of him having died in Scotland? ... If she took him to England, I think He must have died sometime before Robert, mark 2, was born in 1864. But I can't find a death record in England either.
As you say VERY FRUSTRATING!!!! I hate being beaten too.
Any ideas of any other way we could approach this?
Carole

Oh Carole it is so frustrating, I hate being beaten.....I am still going to look......

Regards Vera

Oh yes, I forgot to say; Robert and Jane Pettigrew ( no, they were spelling it Petticrew at this time), were living at Hunters Cottages Jarrow on the 3rd Jan 1862. I have tried to find Hunters Cottages but no luck.
Carole

Hi Carole,

You are quite right am having trouble finding them!!!!

The census was taken Sunday night 7th April 1861.

Regards Vera

Hi Vera
You usually come up with answers faster than I can think. Impressive stuff!!!
Judging by the time this is taking Am I right in assuming that you are hitting the same brick wall I have??
They must be somewhere??? ... and probably together? I am unsure of the date of the Census but the twins were born on Jan 3rd 1862, so Jane was almost certainly pregnant at the time of the census?
Carole

Hi Carole,
Hope your husband enjoyed his supper. Still looking.

Regards V.

I"M GOING TO TAKE A BREAK, HUNGRY HUSBAND DEMANDS SUPPER!

Yes that is it, 1871! ... And I have the next census records up to 1891 for Robert and Jane and to 1901 for the children as they married.
I also have the birth certificates for all the Pettigrew children and the marriage certificate for twin Sarah, who was my great grandmother.
Carole

1871
Robert Petticrew for information
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: Lanchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Lanchester
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Durham
Sub registration district: Lanchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 184
Household Members: Name Age
Christopher Petticrew 4
Henry Petticrew 1
Jane Petticrew 44
Margaret Petticrew 9
Robert Petticrew 40
Robert Petticrew 7
Sarah Petticrew 9


Regards Vera

Yes, in 1871 they are still calling themselves Pettigrew except there is a spelling variation Petticrew. They are living near Lanchester at a hamlet called Maiden Law. NW of Durham city. They have five children. Sarah and Margaret, Robert, Christopher (Kit), and Henry.
By 1881 they have changed their name to CARR and are living at 6 Hutton Terrace, WILLINGTON, Co. Durham. WHY CARR ... That is question two ... but I may never know, it isn't the sort of thing that look-ups can discover? The 1871-1881 decade is the time that David Montgomery appeared in Willington and married Elizabeth Purvis.
In 1891, although now married, they still used the name Carr on the census.
Carole