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Hello, Mary Turner nee Bowman is Caroline's cousin. Mary is the daughter of Robert Bowman (Hannah's brother) and Eleanor (Ellen) Gregory. Mary was born August 1844 and Ellen was buried December 1844. Robert remarried and Mary went to live with her grandmother Hannah and Uncle Joseph. After Mary's husband died, Mary went to have quite a few illegitimate children. In 1851 Hannah was living with her sister at Thirsk where Charles was born.
As an aside re John Bowden, there is a YouTube video of the Trincomalee at the RN Museum of Hartlepool which takes you aboard the ship where it is now based.
Best wishes

Phoebe Davey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Phoebe Davey
Death Age: 56
Birth Date: abt 1877
Registration Date: Oct 1933[Nov 1933] [Dec 1933]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Darlington
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 21

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
BODEN Phoebe Auckland 10a 332 Scan available - click to view
DAVEY John Auckland 10a 332


Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
Bowden Ada Hartlepool 10a 289
BRIGGS Charles Henry Hartlepool 10a 289


Ada Briggs
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Ada Briggs
Death Age: 87
Birth Date: abt 1879
Registration Date: Apr 1966[May 1966] [Jun 1966]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: West Hartlepool
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 1a
Page: 1007

Ada Briggs in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
5, St James Place, West Hartlepool, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles H Briggs Head
Married Male 24 1877 Blacksmith's striker West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Ada Briggs Wife
Married Female 23 1878 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Florrie Briggs Daughter
- Female 2 1899 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Walter Briggs Son
- Male 1 1900 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England



1911 Census For England & Wales
6 West St West Hartlepool, West Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Henry Briggs Head
Married Male 34 1877 Blacks smiths striker West Hpool Durham
Ada Briggs Wife
Married Female 36 1875 Housewife West Hartlepool Durham
Florrie Briggs Daughter
- Female 12 1899 School West Hartlepool Durham
Walter Briggs Son
- Male 11 1900 School West Hartlepool Durham
Annie Briggs Daughter
- Female 8 1903 School West Hartlepool Durham
Charley Briggs Son
- Male 5 1906 - West Hartlepool Durham
Ada Briggs Daughter
- Female 2 1909 - West Hartlepool Durham

???

Phoebe Davey in 1901
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
5, Neasham Road Garbutt Square, Darlington, Durham, England

Household members (3 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Davey Head
Married Male 33 1868 General cartman Darlington, Durham, England
Phoebe Davey Wife
Married Female 25 1876 - Hartlepool, Durham, England
Dan Davey Father
Widower Male 65 1836 Retired cartman Buckland St Mary, Somerset, England


1911 Census For England & Wales
5 Garbutt Square Darlington, Darlington, Durham, England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Davey Head
Married Male 44 1867 Carting contractor Durham Darlington
Phoebe Davey Wife
Married Female 35 1876 - Hurtlepool Durham

In 1871 (posted above) Caroline is with William and Mary Turner.

That's her sister(?) Mary and her husband:

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)
Bowman Mary Northallerton 9d 687
Turner William Northallerton 9d 687



[ I expect Marian knows that, as she says she's investigated the Thrintoff Bowmans]

Hannah's brother Joseph in 1851. (1861 already posted.)

Joseph Bowman
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Joseph Bowman
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Hannah Bowman
Gender: Male
Where born: Thrintoft, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Thrintoft
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Northallerton
Sub-registration District: Appleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 11
Piece: 2377
Folio: 454
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Bowman 69 - Durham, parish relief & farm labourer
Joseph Bowman 27 - unmarried, farm labourer
Mary Bowman 6 - grand-daughter


BOWMAN, MARY -
GRO Reference: 1844 S Quarter in NORTHALLERTON UNION Volume 24 Page 454

I wonder if Mary is a sister of Charles and Caroline ??
She's Joseph's niece in 1861.

Hello, yes I've come to the conclusion that Charles and Caroline were illegitimate and I don't thank Hannah was ever married. With John Bowden being a sailor/connected to shipping, maybe he and Caroline were at sea on all following census returns. Although on Florence marriage certificate it says John was deceased. I think a lot of fibbing has been going on over the years.
Best wishes Marian

"Widow of John Bowmont"?

Caroline's marriage cert says her father's name was Thomas.


It seems Hannah wasn't actually married and Caroline invented a father's name when she married .
There 's no father named on Caroline's baptism record posted earlier.

Caroline's birth, illegitimate (don't think already posted):

BOWMAN, CAROLINE -
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in NORTHALLERTON Volume 09D Page 423


Brother Charles ?? 1861 census says Charles was born in Thirsk RD.

BOWMAN, CHARLES -
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in THIRSK Volume 24 Page 634

Hello, I've just downloaded Hannah's death certificate, it says widow of John Bowmont, house joiner journeyman. The informant was Florence McSloy, granddaughter, present at the death. Died of cardiac debility/old age debility.
I've also found Ada and Phoebe's marriages and 1901/1911 census returns, but will have to get marriage certs for positive confirmation. Onward and upward.

You're very welcome Marian. I do like helping these brick walls to tumble and the fact you know about Charles and Annie just reinforces these findings :-)

Alvie and Argyll, thank you so very much for the above, I thought I had come to a dead end with this post. I now know the relationship with Florence and "Hannah". I had investigated the Thrintoft Bowmans and have quite a bit of info on them but couldn't really find the connection. I think Charles Armitage Bowmont's name is possibly a fib because he starts out as Bowman and I do think Hannah may have followed him to Hartlepool. Charles' wife Annie (Race) was a very strange woman. She had four children which were acknowledged. One illegitimate child which she farmed out on a family as a nurse child and another child Catherine (I do have another thread on Catherine, a very long one) who was never mentioned. I am now going to take my time and take in the above. Once again, thank you both.
Marian

Saw that one AG and think that is a possible. He was 'Carpenter's Crew.'
Think this is him in 1851 which does not help with his supposed father 'Anthony' a plumber.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Crown Alley, Edmonton, Middlesex, England

Household members (18 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Robert Ward Head
Married Male 58 1793 Gardener Suffolk, England
Elizabeth Ward Wife
Married Female 55 1796 - Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Ward Daughter
Unmarried Female 29 1822 - Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England
Rose Milton Servant
Unmarried Female 14 1837 General servant St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Thomas Dodd Nurse child
- Male 10 1841 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Henry Herden Nurse child
- Male 6 1845 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
>>John Bowden Nurse child
- Male 6 1845 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England

plus another 11 children all described as 'Nurse Child.'

St Luke's, Middlesex is a workhouse as well as a district in London. Perhaps all these children were born or lived in the workhouse.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/StLuke/#Post-1834

Long shot: - just because in Hartlepool where he might have met Caroline


John Bowden
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Bowden
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: 1844
Relation: Single
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lukes London England
Civil parish: Vessels
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub-registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: HMS Trincomalee
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 4919
Folio: 1
Page number: 1
Household Members Age Relationship
John Bowden 27 Single

What we don't have is Caroline and/or John after their wedding (and births of children) -

Looks like daughter Ada in 1891 [EDIT: Just noticed Alviegal posted this on page 1 ]:

Ada Bowden
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Ada Bowden
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship: Visitor
Birth Year: 1877
Birth Place: West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Stranton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Residence Place: West Hartlepool, Stranton, Durham, England
Registration District: Hartlepool
Sub registration district: Hartlepool
ED, Institution or Vessel: 32
Neighbors:
Piece: 4062
Folio: 118
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter McGuire 39
Martha McGuire 35
George McGuire 12
Margaret McGuire 8
Ann McGuire 6
Joseph McGuire 3
Ada Bowden 14

Charles from the 1861 census, possible son of Hannah. It seems very likely that that is your Hannah b 1823 Thrintoft as Charles has also moved to Stranton. Possibly Hannah followed him.

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Thomas Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household members (6 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Harrison Wife
- Female 32 1839 - Yorkshire, England
James Doolin Step-son
- Male 13 1858 - Durham, England
Terance Doolin Step-son
- Male 5 1866 - Durham, England
Harriet A Harrison Daughter
- Female 0 1871 - Durham, England
Christopher Parvin Brother-in-law
- Male 26 1845 - Yorkshire, England
>>Charles Bowman Boarder
- Male 19 1852 puddler Leeds, Yorkshire, England


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
27, Stainton Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
>>Charles Bowmont Head
Married Male 28 1853 Railway guard Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Annie Bowmont Wife
Married Female 28 1853 - Catterick, Yorkshire, England
Horatio Bowmont Son
Single Male 4 1877 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Clara Bowmont Daughter
Single Female 0 1881 - West Hartlepool, Durham, England
James Hammond Lodger
Single Male 34 1847 Laborer Edgware, Middlesex, England


BOWMONT, HORATIO RACE
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in HARTLEPOOL Volume 10A Page 160


First name(s) Charles Armitage
Last name Bowmont
Volume 10A
Marriage quarter 2
Volume as transcribed 10A
Marriage year 1876
Page number 177
Registration month -

MarriageFinder™ Charles Armitage Bowmont married one of these people
Sarah Ann Howes,>> Annie Race<<
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Hartlepool
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County Durham



RAILWAY FATALITY AT WEST HARTLEPOOL. A man named Charles Bowmont. lately employed on the North-Eastern Railway, died this morning from the effects of in- juries received whilst following his occupation of shunting guard. Deceased was standing on the step of an engine which was passing some trucks , and was caught by the latter and severely jammed. He lingered two days after the accident, which took place on the Coal Hill, West Hartlepool. He was 34 and resided in Crossley Street.
03 March 1886 - Daily Gazette for Middlesbrough - Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

Another version of baptism:

Caroline Bowman
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Caroline Bowman
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 5 Feb 1856
Baptism Place: Northallerton, York, England
Mother: Hannah Bowman
FHL Film Number: 919073
Reference ID: 281

Snap! Was just about to post those censuses.

Caroline Bowman
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Caroline Bowman
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: 1856
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Thrintoff Yorkshire England
Civil parish: East Cowton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Northallerton
Sub-registration district: Appleton Upon Wiske
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 4862
Folio: 55
Page number: 10
Household Members Age Relationship
William Turner 32 Head
Mary Turner 28 Wife
Mary Hannah Turner 5 Daughter
Robert Wilson Turner 3 Son
Anne Elizabeth Turner 1 Daughter
Caroline Bowman 15 Servant

Just putting this up as a possible? possibly not as Hannah's year of birth is way out.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Village, Thrintoft, Northallerton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Bowman Head
- Male 47 1824 - Yorkshire, England
>>Hannah Bowman Sister
- Female 48 1823 - Yorkshire, England



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Thrintoft Village, Thrintoft, Northallerton, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (North Riding), England
View original record
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Bowman Head
Unmarried Male 36 1825 Farm labourer Thrintoft, Yorkshire, England
Mary Bowman Niece
Unmarried Female 16 1845 - Thrintoft, Yorkshire, England
>>Hannah Bowman Sister
Unmarried Female 38 1823 Farm labourer Thrintoft, Yorkshire, England
Charles Bowman Nephew
- Male 9 1852 Scholar Thirsk, Yorkshire, England
>>Caroline Bowman Niece
- Female 5 1856 Scholar Northallerton, Yorkshire, England



First name(s) Caroline
Country England
Last name Bowman
Father's first name(s) -
Gender Female
Father's last name -
Birth year -
Mother's first name(s) Hannah
Birth place -
Mother's last name Bowman
Baptism year 1856
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date 05 Feb 1856
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Residence Northallerton, York, England
Subcategory Parish Baptisms

Her marriage with a bit more detail.

First name(s) Caroline
Bride's birth year 1855
Last name Bowmont
Bride's residence Queenborough
Birth year 1855
Bride's marital status S
Marriage year 1874
Groom's father's name Anthony
Marriage year as transcribed 1874
Groom's father's occupation Plumber
Marriage date 22 Mar 1874
Bride's father's name Thomas
Marriage place Queenborough, Holy Trinity
Bride's father's occupation Joiner
Spouse's first name(s) John
Banns or licence B
Spouse's last name Bowden
County Kent
Groom's age 28
Country England
Groom's birth year 1846
Record source Queenborough marriages 1837-Nov 1843, Aug 1847-1879
Groom's occupation Sailor RN
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Groom's residence HMS Duncan
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Groom's marital status B
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Bride's age 19
Collections from England, Great Britain

???
EDIT: - NO, this one is "widow of George".


Caroline Bowden
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Caroline Bowden
Admission Age: 56
Discharge Age: 56
Record Type: Admission and Discharge
Birth Date: abt 1855
Admission Date: 8 Nov 1911
Admission Place: Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London, England
Discharge Date: 20 Dec 1911
Discharge Place: Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London, England

Ada? Can't find her or Phoebe in 1881.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Tennant Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household members (7 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter McGuiness Head
Married Male 39 1852 Labourer in ship yard Scotland
Martha McGuiness Wife
Married Female 35 1856 - Durham, England
George McGuiness Son
- Male 12 1879 Scholar Durham, England
Margaret McGuiness Daughter
Single Female 8 1883 Scholar Durham, England
Ann McGuiness Daughter
Single Female 6 1885 Scholar West Hartlepool, Durham, England
Joseph McGuiness Son
- Male 3 1888 - Durham, England
>>Ada Bowden Visitor
- Female 14 1877 Scholar West Hartlepool, Durham, England



EDIT Wondering about this one for Ada Bowman in 1881.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
19, Silver Street, Stranton, Hartlepool, Durham, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Mossgrove Head
Married Male 48 1833 Shipwright Sunderland, Durham, England
Mary Jane Mossgrove Wife
Married Female 50 1831 Shipwright wife Sunderland, Durham, England
Thomas Mossgrove Son
Single Male 17 1864 Painter Hartlepool, Durham, England
>>Ada Brondon Boarder
Single Female 4 1877 - Hartlepool, Durham, England