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I am going to carry on looking for Coombs can any one help. John

John, people have helped and helped.

If you're not going to follow up on the available contacts, what can anyone do?

If you are going to follow up on them, why keep asking for help when contacting these Silks may provide your answers??

I sorry you you seem angry but I am going to phone Silks and try to find an answer that way. But in the meen time I am still going to try to find a birth as a Coombs. I do thank every one for there help and hope they may help in the Future. John and Deborah (nee Coombs) Sargeant.

As I mentioned, it is not uncommon for a year of birth on a death certificate to be slightly off, if the person reporting the death did not know the deceased's actual age.

With that in mind, here is a birth -- the quarter would be correct for a Nov 2 birthday.

Name: Gladys M Coombs
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Thomas
District: Pontypridd
County: Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1412


There are 9 Coombs-Thomas births in Pontypridd up to 1930.

Your Coombs parents were Herbert Coombs and Kezia Stokes (Sept 1893, Martley district).

I do not see a marriage for a Herbert Coombs to a Thomas after 1898, so it seems unlikely that your Herbert was the father of that Gladys M Coombs -- unless, again, her parents were not married.

There isn't an obvious Coombs-Thomas marriage to associate with that Gladys M Coombs birth.

No, I am not "angry", and I consider such personal commentary presumptuous.

I think you have benefited from a lot of efforts to help, which you have been really quite dismissive of when they didn't result in answers you liked, and you aren't doing some of the obvious things you could do yourself.

Like search for Gladys M Coombs births, as I just did.

Here's an odd thing, though -- that birth came up on a search at Ancestry, and I'm not finding it at FreeBMD. Huh.

That is very odd, and I don't know what explanation there would be for it. Ancestry gets its database from FreeBMD, so there is no way, theoretically, that a birth would show at Ancestry and not at FreeBMD.

Even searching for all births in Dec quarter 1913, vol 11a, page 1412, that record does not appear. I have checked the original GRO image, and the birth is indeed there, with the details as shown in the entry at Ancestry.

It might be worth having a look at the certificate, if the Silk contact does not pan out.

Thank You but I must point out that my wife and I spent hours seaching for Thomas then Gladys, in Genes and free Bmd. Then we asked for help for which I am am always greatfull. Thanks again John still searching.

Found Gladys she is Step-Sister: Herbert died in1902: Kezia(h) maried Trevor Griffiths (trying to find date) Gladys was there daughter born 2 11 1910. Thanks to every one for their help. John & Deb

Thanks for your PM.

So. Aha. Not a Coombs, Gladys, but a half-sister on the side of their *mother*, duh. I had a brain cramp there I think.

But got there in the end! So Gladys's son, for instance, is Thomas's and Herbert's half-sister's son, essentially their nephew. And your cousin. What a surprise, eh?

And you will tell us the upshot when you know it -- whether Thomas himself ever married / had children??

The marriage is extremely easily found at FreeBMD.

surname Coombs
given name Kezia*
spouse's surname Griffiths
(no other details needed for the search)

There's only one. And she did waste no time getting rehitched!

Thank You for your help EvieBeavie for your help. Thomas never married and livved all over the country working as a bus driver. No regestered children but joked that there may be many. The man we phoned was Gladys's son and Thomas was his step Uncle how lived with them at the end of his life. But he did not know of other uncle our grand father. More when we know John and Deb.

Just a bit of clarification -- these are *half* relationships rather than *step* relationships, are they not?

Your Herbert and Thomas shared a mother with Gladys. Gladys was their mother's child, not their mother's stepchild.

So Gladys's son Thomas would be half-nephew rather than step-nephew to Thomas Coombs? And Gladys would be your half-aunt?

I don't know whether those terms are actually used, lol. But however it's termed, your relationship to Gladys and her son is actually a blood relationship, methinks.

You may be right but I have Step children because they are from aprevious marraige and two childre of our own and they call one another step brother and sister. I have ask my friends and they say half reffers to mixed race so in our termanolagy they are step though it may not be dictionary correct. John

Oh dear. "Half", in the offensive term "half breed" or the like, means mixed race.

Half-brother means someone who has the same mother and a different father, or the same father and a different mother.

So if you have children from a previous marriage, your children from your current marriage are those children's half-siblings. Not stepsiblings -- stepsiblings are not related by blood.

If you and your spouse both have children from a previous marriage, the children are step-siblings to each other, because they are not related by blood. Your spouse's children are your stepchildren, and your children are your spouse's stepchildren.

A half-brother or half-sister is someone who has the same mother *or* father, but not both.

I only raise this because it seems that Gladys's family really is your family -- your grandmother was Keziah Stokes Coombs, and Gladys's son's grandmother was Keziah Stokes Coombs. You are both blood grandchildren of Keziah, but you have different grandfathers.

I just thought you'd like to sort that out, because it does mean you really have found actual relations! People who share Keziah Stokes Coombs Griffiths as your mutual ancestor (and of course all her ancestors).

I have found some like that -- a distant half-cousin who had figured out that we have the same 4xgreat grandmother, who married the distant half-cousin's 4xgreat grandfather after mine died. And on another side, a distant half-cousin who has the same 2xgreat grandfather as my mother, and whose 2xgreat grandmother was my mother's 2xgreat grandmother's sister -- the mutual 2xgreat grandfather married his sister-in-law when his wife died. He made the family trees simpler, anyhow!

Sorry I do not use that term and have now found cambridge dictionary in my house step means Half in one of its many meanings. So you stick with yous and I will stick with mine. Really New Dads should be in-law as that is the relationship. Now we are talking samantics so your are right and I'am right so Merry Christmas and thanks for your help. John, Deb and all my family.

Whatever.

I feel the same

I do not understand you I have said thank you and agknowledge your help. But for some reason you want to get aggresive. So I would ask you to remove all your posts from my thread. May your God be with you at this Christ mass time. John

Edited ... sooo not worth the trouble.

Thanks to Everyone
Who has helped our search We have had a Great Christmas.
In contact with loads of living family we did not know excisted. John