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Hi Lorraine,

It's really surprising what people remember once you start picking there brains, my own parents still throw up surprises when i talk to them now, I say "you've never told me that before" they reply "Oh, didn't I, forgot about it till so and so happened or so and so was said."

I'm not really sure now where to look for Ernest, I had hoped he'd joined the army, that's were I found Major, but no luck.

If you need me at any time just click on my name and this will send a private message directly to me.

All the best Lorraine,

Dee x

Thank you Denise, I couldnt have managed to find all the family on my own. I really appreciate all your help.

As for my Granddad and Aunt....Ive tried looking in Ireland today but no records again!!! Think im going to give up for awhile, try and get to talk to Aunt see if she remembers anything more.

Jumping a generation,

Edward with his parents and siblings;

1861 England Census
about Edward Gascoine
Name: Edward Gascoine
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Grays Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Gascoine 39
Agnes Gascoine 17
Alexander Gascoine 13
Edward Gascoine 15
George Gascoine 1
Jessie Gascoine 7
John Gascoine 48
John Gascoine 20

His mum Agnes is still alive in 1901 living with their younger daughter Florence, and living on their own means, where as John, his father died 1880, he was a "professed" cook;

Deaths Jun 1880 (>99%)
Gascoine John Jeffery I 68 Islington 1b 218


Edward was an artist and engraver.

I still haven't thrown up anything on Ernest since the 1891 census, I've had a look for a birth for Emma Gatton in England, no joy.

Starting to look like an Irish search now.

Dee xxx

EDIT; Majors' full name;Major Harold Stanley Gascoine

Night Dee

Have a good day and chat soon

L xx

Hi,

Going to bed now, early start in the morn.

I'll have a look tomorrow though.

Nite nite, Dee xx

Unfortunatly it is just a possible that she may have been irish, it was mentioned by relative but not by my Aunt Lilly. She has not mentioned about her parents marrying in Ireland but cant rule it out I guess.

I did think the same though, and have a look at ireland at Ulster area but nothing for Gatton or Gascoine. Could be a very long search if it is Ireland!

I really do appreciate your help on this one
L x

I'm on ancestry, still can't find ernest on the 1901 census though.
at least now we may have something to work on and i would say that we were prbably all wrong and James and Lillian were born Gascoines. Now lets see if we can find ernest.

just a thought, you say emma may be Irish, did Ernest go to Ireland and marry there?? If so and the twins were born there, we wouldn't find them on freebmd!!! This now is starting to look like a strong possibility.

Dee x

Oh wow!!!!!!!

Thank you, where can I find the records though? I just tried looking on FamilySearch but couldnt find Major

Here's Major in 1901;

1901 England Census
about Major H S Gascoine
Name: Major H S Gascoine
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward S
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Clapham, London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Stockwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Kennington Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 187
Household Members: Name Age
Joy P Bishop 7
Leonard L Bishop 3
Minnie M Bishop 25
Charles H Gascoine 15
Edward S Gascoine 54
Eileen M Gascoine 13
Gladys E Gascoine 19
Major H S Gascoine 19
Mary A Gascoine 53
Edward Paul 34

BINGO!!!!!

1891 England Census
about Ernest S Gascoine
Name: Ernest S Gascoine
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edward S
Mother's Name: Annie M
Gender: Male
Where born: Pimlico, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub registration district: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert B Davis 6
Annie M Gascoine 43
Beatrice M Gascoine 17
Cyril B Gascoine 13
Edward S Gascoine 45
Edward S Gascoine 19
Ellen M Gascoine 3
Ernest S Gascoine 15
Eva G Gascoine 8
Hubert C Gascoine 5
Major H S Gascoine 10 !!!!!!!
George Robertson 18


Dee xxx

Hi Dee

I spoke to her today and she remembers her father being around when she was 14 but believes he left her mother not long after that and doesnt know when he died.

As for Emma, I know that she was still around when my Uncle was born in 1942 but wasnt alive much after that. No-one remembers exact dates

Lorraine

Not sure if thats the connection, as she was deffinatley with Ernest Gascoine, or so my G.Aunt has said.

Strange though as i live in Medway!!

Just thinking if this could be an adoption or something? apparently the Gascoine were quite wealthy with hotels in Brighton and Shorham.
My Aunt Lilly has said that although her and her mother (Emma) had to clean the house's my grandad was paid for private education at Archbishops Tenison School in London!!

All sounding a bit odd now?

Hi Selena,

I saw that birth, but there doesn't seem to be a match for the twins, even if Emma had married before to a Gascoine.

Dee x

Hi,

Does G Aunt Lilian remember when her father and mother died? This may give us an idea of their ages if we could then find their deaths. Tricky family this one!!!

Found this but at the mo it's only guess work,

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1876 (>99%)
-
Gascoine Ernest Stuart St Geo Han Sq 1a 396


Dee x

Seems they moved out to Medway

Births Sep 1922
Gatton Ernest R Cook Medway 2a 1290

Hi,

This may confuse matters even more??

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages Sep 1921 (93%)
-
Cook Violet E Gatton Lewisham 1d 2360
Gatton Ernest A Cook Lewisham 1d 2360

Obviously just grasping at straws now, however could the E be for Emma??

Dee x

Thank you Selena for looking, this is just becoming more of a mystery than I thought.

I will try the electoral register but not sure if that was the family home when they got married.

Didnt think I would start hitting brick walls until further back! lol

Still nothing! I can only think that you might try an electoral roll lookup for the address that James was living at when he married, or any other addresses that Lillian can remember. Might shed some light.

I've been searching for James G* so hopefully it would come up under either surname. No luck yet FreeBMD keeps throwing me out.

I have looked on various quarters for august in the years 1917 and 1918 but nothing, cant find any sets of twins born.
There is a possibility that the mother wasnt married so this would make the twins a Gatton???

Thank you for looking