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brummiejan
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22 Aug 2008 08:39 |
*EDITED! WRONGLY PUT CLARENCE PREVIOUSLY - REPLACED WITH CLEMENT - MANY APOLOGIES *
Hello! I'm trying to trace back my Powell family and maybe make some contacts. I have tried this before so briefly I have: William b. 1829 Tolworth Surrey His sons Maurice Augustus (Somerset), Horace (B'ham) and Clement William (Yardley). Horaces's children Phillip, Clement, Lizzie, Hilda and Kathleen. (All born Birmingham area).
I've now found my gg uncle Clement William living in Edmonton in 1901 with his wife Annie and children Lucy, William, Nora and Augustus (registered Maurice Augustus, named after Clement's brother). Worth noting that Clement had dropped his 1st name and on the census appears as William. I also suspect that his wife was actually Sarah Ann as I have found a relevant marriage. Also Clement and Augustus seem to be "family" names as they crop up elsewhere.
Ring any bells?
Jan
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Ann
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22 Aug 2008 09:15 |
have you tried search trees at the top of the page you may find some connections
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brummiejan
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22 Aug 2008 09:17 |
Yes Ann, I have searched around but no luck so far. Jan
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 10:46 |
Births Dec 1865 (>99%) Powell Maurice Augustus Bedminster 5c 766
1871
Name: William M Powell Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Lodger Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Tolurrth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mark Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Town: Peterborough County/Island: Northamptonshire Country: England
Registration district: Peterborough Sub registration district: Peterborough ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 248 Household Members: Name Age Eliza Brice 18 Amelia Peutney 7 months Mery Elizth Peutney 1 Phebe Peutney 28 William Henry Peutney 29
Clement Wm Powell 10 months Elizabeth Powell 28 Musrose Augustus Powell 5 William M Powell 42 Commercial Traveller (Lodgers)
Name: William M Powell Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 born: Tolurrth, Surrey
Name: Elizabeth Powell Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 born: Birmingham, Lancashire
Name: Musrose Augustus Powell Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 born: Tatton, Somerset
Name: Clement Wm Powell Age: 10 months Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 born: Yarsley, Warwickshire
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 10:55 |
Think you may have made a mistake for the name of second child as couldn't find a birth record for a Clarence William but did find the following which fits with 1871 census:-
Births Jun 1870 Powell Clement William Solihull 6d 491
Solihull is the registration district for Yardley, Warwickshire
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 11:14 |
This looks like Clement in 1881
Name: Clement W. Towell Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Yardley, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Aston County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street address: 38 Dymoke Street
Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Deritend ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Collier 53 born: Ludlow, Shropshire Kerzia Collier 50 born: Foxlidiet, Worcestershire Clement W. Towell 10
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 11:19 |
As Clement is noted here as nephew I am including marriage for Edward and Kerzia (she may be sister of Elizabeth):-
Marriages Jun 1876 COLLIER Edward King's N 6c 634 Harris Kezia King's N 6c 634
The district King's N is an alternative name for Kings Norton and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Staffordshire, Warwickshire and Worcestershire
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 11:27 |
This matches with the info above:-
Marriages Dec 1864 (>99%) Cooper Edward Birmingham 6d 310 Harris Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 310 Powell William * Birmingham 6d 310
This could be confirmed by buying the birth certificate of one of the children as mothers maiden name is given.
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 11:32 |
This is the only birth record I could find for Horace that fits with dates:-
Births Jun 1886 (>99%) Powell Horace William Warwick 6d 610
Can you confirm that this is correct date?
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 11:49 |
This looks like William in 1851:-
Name: William M Powell Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Visitor - (Mitre Hotel) Gender: Male Where born: Tolworth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Hampton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Occupation: Commercial Traveller Registration district: Kingston Sub registration district: Esher ED, institution, or vessel: 1e Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 62 Household Members: Name Age William Berryman 19 Richard Bone 34 James Clements 21 Charles Dann 27 W H Dickson 21 Elizabeth Goodman 40 Elizabeth Goodman 7 Mo William Goodman 58 Charlotte Hoare 18 Charles R Keymer 22 Isidore Lefuel 41 William M Powell 22 Eliza M Pratt 36 George Rogerson 19 W Scarbowngh 64 Caroline Smith 46 Georgiana Wells 21 James Davis Wells 25
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 11:57 |
1861:-
Name: William Maurice Powell Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Telworth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Thames Ditton County/Island: Surrey Country: England Occupation: Agent to a ? (looks like) Manches Manufacturer
Registration district: Kingston Sub registration district: Esher ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 104 Household Members: Name Age Henry Bendle 17 Robert Bendle 22 Mary Gode 21 William Maurice Powell 32 James Wyeth 55 Mary Wyeth 52
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:16 |
Was having trouble finding the family after 1871, think this must be the reason why:-
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 William Maurice Powell abt 1829 1874 Jul-Aug-Sep Staines Middlesex
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:19 |
If this is correct then the birth record for Horace is either not the correct one, or, his father was not William.
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:27 |
1891:- Name: Clement Powell Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Yardley, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Birmingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Town: Birmingham County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Occupation: Metal Spinner
Registration district: Birmingham Sub registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Betsy Adderley 59 Harry Adderley 5 Louisa Adderley 24 William Adderley 67 Clement Powell 21
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:38 |
Finally found Horace in 1901:-
Name: Horace Powell Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Yardley Ecclesiastical parish: Yardley Wood Christchurch Town: Billesley Common County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address:Coldbath Lane ?
Occupation:Carriage Lamp Maker
Registration district: Solihull Sub registration district: Solihull ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 203 Household Members: Name Age Clement Powell 5 Elizabeth Powell 31 born: Birmingham, Warwickshire Hathleen Powell 4 Hilda Powell 2 Horace Powell 32 Lizzie Powell 11 months Phillip Powell 9 born: Birmingham
Marriage:- Marriages Dec 1890 (>99%) Powell Horace Aston 6d 554 Wilson Elizabeth Aston 6d 554
1891 Name: Horace Powell Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham; Ham Civil Parish: Kings Norton Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls Balsall Heath Town: Balsall Heath County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Registration district: Kings Norton Sub registration district: Kings Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Powell 21 Horace Powell 22
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brummiejan
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22 Aug 2008 12:39 |
Oh dear. Many apologies - have been intensively researching a Clarence elsewhere and had a crossed wire in my brain. Original post now corrected. Thanks so much for all your input in spite of this! Catherine - you have come up with some great stuff, thank you. I do know that there is a Kezia Harris in the family, she is sister (or half-sister) of Elizabeth (Horace's wife and my gg grandmother). I don't think that the Horace born in Leamington is mine. I did find a birth of a Harris Horace Powell, which with his mother's maiden name being Harris made me wonder if it is him. Need the birth cert so will risk it, what's £7 after all!
Many thanks again, if you feel inclined to look more don't let me stop you!!
Yours gratefully, Jan
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:43 |
Thanks to Horace found the family in 1881:-
Name: Horace H. Powell Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Birmm Civil Parish: Kings Norton County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Agar Place Education:
Occupation: Carriage Lamp Maker Registration district: Kings Norton Sub registration district: Kings Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Powell 38 - Windower (born: Fox Lyddiate, Worcestershire,) Horace H. Powell 12 M. Powell 15 born: Yatton, Somerset (Occupation: Tin Plate Worker Apprentice)
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:48 |
Checked all the Powells born Warwickshire between 1868 and 1870 and this is the best bet for Horace:-
Births Jun 1868 POWELL Harris Horace Birmingham 6d 105
wish they wouldn't interchange their names like that!!!
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 12:54 |
Thanks to Horace can confirm Elizabeth's maiden name:- 1871 Name: Horace Powell Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Kings Norton County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England Street address: Registration district: Kings Norton Sub registration district: Kings Norton ED, institution, or vessel: 12b Household schedule number: 98 Household Members: Name Age Amy Hand 3 David Harris 72 Emily Harris 17 Emma Harris 52 Horace Powell 2
Name: Emma Harris Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: David Gender: Female Where born: Lichfield
Name: David Harris Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Gender: Male Where born: Worcestershire, England Occupation: Carpenter
Name: Emily Harris Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: David Mother's Name: Emma Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire
Name: Amy Hand Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham,
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Catherine
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22 Aug 2008 13:09 |
Think this is Clement in 1901, date and place of birth are correct and his second name was William (interchanging names again) and he has named one of his children Augustus. Also occupation is correct:-
Name: William Powell Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Yardley, Warwickshire, England Civil Parish: Edmonton Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Occupation: Metal Spinner
Registration district: Edmonton Sub registration district: Edmonton ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 65 Household Members: Name Age Annie Powell 28 born: Bristol, Gloucestershire Augustus Powell 1 born: Edmonton, Middlesex Lucy Powell 8 born: Birmingham, Warwickshire Nora Powell 4 born: Edmonton, Middlesex William Powell 30 William Powell 6 born: Edmonton, Middlesex
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