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Right i'm back, bit of general background info.

The Oliver surname is a common one in and around the Scottish borders, Eccles, Hounam, Oxnam, Kelso, Srouston and Roxburgh will nearly always appear connected to the surname when you search any trees and records.

It's highly likely that earlier generations are connected to the area and several of the births, marriages and deaths associated with the family could be either in England or Scotland.

Often especially in the early census folks would put Scotland as place of birth when they were in fact born in Berwick.

Berwick (or Berwick upon Tweed to be correct) is in Northumberland, England.
Berwickshire is a county in Scotland, it sits right on the border with England.

So Berwick=England
Berwickshire=Scotland

BUT often the two get mixed up, especially in early census returns, you will have to keep an open mind as to whether Berwick or Berwickshire applies when you look at certain records.

By the time you get to Roxburgh, Hounam, Kelso and Oxnam you are looking at the adjacent county of Roxburghshire, Scotland.

It might be worth considering joining the Borders Family History Society, they have access to and produce lots of info for folks researching the area. There are literally dozens of researchers looking at the Oliver surname and even of you don't find someone researching the exact same family lines you will find someone who has most likely trod over the same ground as you will be looking at.

Some useful website links for Berwickshire can be found at;
http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Berwickshire

And for Roxburghshire at;
http://www.familytreeforum.com/wiki/index.php/Roxburghshire

Glen

Hi,

I may have answered my own question;

Deaths Mar 1855 (>99%)
Oliver Charles William Newcastle T 10b 31

Dee

only one in Scotland(pre 1854) - McCulloch & Oliver marriage

19/12/1802 MCCULLOCH ELIZABETH & ROBERT OLIVER FR187 F Troqueer /KIRKCUDBRIGHT
882/ 0010 0222

Hi,
1841 England Census
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Mount Pleasant
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Bradley 15
Elizabeth Oliver 20
Joseph Oliver 7 Mo
Thomas Oliver 20


This Thomas was a stone mason. Elizabeth was born in Lancashire

Not letting me view the original again, can anyone tell us who Thomas Bradley is??

Dee

Hi Jeanette,

Is there any births for Thomas in Kirkcudbright. Be great to link these families.

Dee

dee i dont know of anyone between my granda and thomas so maybe he only had the one son who was charles ? . this is why im confused . and i have no family to ask about this as my gran passed away and my mum knows absolutely nothing about her family on that side

glen you are wonderful aswell . im jotting all this down because maybe my aunt who is in her 80,s may know some names but she is not to good with remembering things about her dad as they were only young when their dad left

Amanda, this may be another child;


Births Sep 1840 (>99%)
Oliver Joshua Stockport 19 229

EDIT THIS SHOULD BE JOSEPH OLIVER

Births Dec 1840 (>99%)
Oliver Joseph Gateshead 24 121
Oliver Joseph Broadley Bury 21 239



What is your Granda date of birth and his name, trying to find out what child of Thomas and Elizabeths you descend from. At the mo we've only found the 2 children on census returns, so presumably your link would be one of them,

Dee

Hi Denise

the only births for Thomas are in my earlier post but I have found this one for Robert with same parents as one of them

23/04/1786 OLIVER ROBERT ROBERT OLIVER/SUSAN CAVERHILL FR1642 U Jedburgh /ROXBURGH 792/ 0050 0223


12/01/1788 OLIVER THOMAS ROBERT OLIVER/SUSAN CAVERHILL FR1651 U Jedburgh /ROXBURGH 792/ 0050 0232

Thomas is a bit younger though


EDIT I think that should have been older lol

Hi Jeanette,

Looks interesting though. I wonder if there is a link. Could it even be an uncle???

Dee

ok i only know that granda was 4yrs older than my nana and she was born in 1910 18th or 19th april. my nanan,s maiden name was holliday they married in newcastle upon tyne and had four children

Hi amanda,

Granda's birth;


June 1905
Oliver John Ernest Newcastle T. 10b 66

This would give you, father and mother details.

May be worth ordering a copy.

Dee

thank you very much for all your help xxxxx but if charles died in 1855 he would have been only 8-9yrs old so they must have had other children or maybe his first wife anne ?

Hi Amanda

"your" Thomas didn't marry Ann as he was married to Elizabeth in 1840. I have removed incorrect census to avoid confusion

aahhhh ok . i was told my granda went to london to stay with a sister after the war which would connect with the properties i think . does this sound possible

Hi Amanda,

It's a possibility, in my families instance though, all the money had dried up after 3 generations (sods law!!)
So if your family still had property then there's a strong possibility that this could fall nicely into place. Do you know where Thomas Oliver carried out his Artitecture, was it in London??

Dee

dee it was actually here in newcastle :-) i look at the buildings everytime i go threw town and they are absolutely brilliant and also he built a few cottages which no longer stand he also had designs for leazes terrace which is all in newcastle and is still standing

there must be other family because we were told granda went to live in london with his sister . but we dont know who she was unfortunately. the two uncles i have dont have any sons or daughters infact they both didnt marry and this will be the end of the tree im afraid in this family anyway

Hi Amanda,

When you've got the birth cert for your Granda, then we may be able to pick up the thread again and find his siblings.

Dee

thank you all very much xxxx im sure my mam will be pleased so i will also thankyou on her behalf and kee you all updated