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OK Katherine - here goes
Eleanor/Helena you've got
Priscilla Alicia
Ada Sarah
Albert Francis
Bessie Maud
Henry Alfred
Grace Glanville
May
Edmund Luther
Walter Samuel
Ivy Althea
Donald Percival

I'll have more time to look for the marriage and death info next week once my visitors have gone back.

Pam

Hi Pam

Thanks for your efforts. Yes I believe that is the correct info for the eldest daughter's birth as all her names are correct as are the father's name and occupation. The middle names of the other children would be good as I only have some of them from the censuses. With regard to Tom's father's death (Thomas), I have the death cert for his wife as she died in London in 1874 whilst staying with one of the other children and it says wife of Thomas rather than widow of Thomas.

Katherine

Katherine
I haven't managed to find the marriage or the death yet but do you think this is right for the eldest daughter's birth?

10/4/1871 Helena Rhoda Elizabeth daughter of Tom Albert Neil (gardener) and Helena Ashford at Faldouet (which is an area of St Martin). Birth notified by Elizabeth Ashford - present at the birth.

If you think this is the right birth then having the mother's maiden name will make it easier to search for the marriage.

All of the other children are in the St Helier registers at approximately the dates you have. I didn't look them up but I have made a note of all their middle names if that's of any interest.

All the best
Pam

Mary
Any idea when they moved to Jersey?

Pam

Pam,
Thank you for your help.
Ann.

Hello Pam,

I am looking for relatives of my mother. It is believed they moved to Jersey but she has no idea when, whether they married, had children are still alive or dead.

The relatives are Augustus (Born 1914) and Noel (Born 1920) Richardson. They are registered in Dartford in Kent. Their mother's name was Sarah Boyce. She married their father in Chertsey in Surrey in 1913. The boys had a younger sister named Jean (born 1922). That is all that we have at this stage, so any help you are able to give will be very much appreciated.

Mary

Ann
St Mary and St Peter's Church was in a street called Vauxhall in St Helier (it's since been rebuilt and is slightly out of town) It was known as the Irish church with St Thomas's RC church being known as the French church.
Pam

Hello Pam, Thank you very much for looking.
The info looks interesting as her son was married in an R C Chapel.Is the church in St.Helier?

Regards Ann.

Hello Carter
Here (I hope) is the information that you wanted.

Marriage - Jan 3rd 1891
Thomas Williams, aged 20, Bachelor, Drummer 1st South Lancashire Regiment, living at Fort Regent (army barracks at the time) born Sutton Lancashire. Father Benjamin Williams, Blacksmith
Esther Elizabeth Laugée, aged 18, Spinster, Domestic Servant, living at St Andrews, born St Helier. Father John Edward Laugée, Labourer.

Birth - 8th Nov 1891 at 25 Pier Rd
Thomas Henry son of the above.
Informant Eliza Smyth of 12 Pier Rd, present at the birth. (I think she was a midwife as I'm sure I've come across that name before)

The Laugée family are on the 1891 census where oddly Esther is down as being single (might have to check that marriage entry again, maybe my French let me down!). I can check the parents births and marriage if you want as they occurred after 1842 when formal record keeping began over here.

All the best

Pam

Thanks Pam

Your a STAR. No rush with info on the wills, so whenever you get a chance. As for Brian, i am stumped. I have always been told that he was reasonably young when he died as he had severe brain damage. Not sure whether he died before his parents or not?

gina

Gina
Deaths
10/9/1969 - George William Salmon, aged 76, retired.
Cause of death - myocardinal infarction due to coronary occlusion, arterio sclerosis, chronic pyelonephritis.
Informant was the funeral director, J Barette Le Quesne

20/10/1973 - Ellen Elizabeth Hutchinson, widow of George William Salmon, aged 63.
Cause of death - liver failure
Informant was the funeral director, Dennis Pitcher.

I haven't had a chance to go back to the Archive yet to look up the wills, it may have to wait until next week as we've people visiting this week.

If you've got any other clues about Brian I'll give him another go at the same time.

Pam

Hello Ann
I have looked through the records for all 12 parishes plus the non-conformist churches.
The only Fitzpatricks I could find in the right time frame were baptized at St Mary and St Peter's RC church and did not include a Catherine.
Out of interest they were
Simon 1814
John 1815
Peter 1819

Parents Simon and Ann (formerly McMahon)

Pam

Hi Pam

Thanks very much for the kind offer of lookups in Jersey. I am trying to find the following (please tell me if this is too much work):

Death of Thomas Neil probably between 1871-1881 as he is on the 1871 census in St Saviour but I can't find him in 1881.

Marriage of Tom Albert Neil to Helena (or Elenor) probably not long before the 1871 census as she is 21 on that census and they don't have any children at that point. They are in St Martin on the census but she gives her place of birth as St Brelade. If you find the marriage do you think you could look up Helena's birth for me.

Births of Tom and Helena's children. From the censuses I have:
Elenor c1871
Priscilla c1872
Ada c1873
Albert c1875
Bessie c1877
Henry/Harry c1878
Grace c1881
May c1883
Edmund c1884
Walter c1886
Ivy c1890
Donald c1895

According to the censuses Elenor was born in St Martin and all the others were born in St Helier. If you find any others, that would be great.

Very much appreciated
Katherine

pam thanks so much
when i have spoken to a family member the name Laugee is very familiar - they even suggested it (although pronunciation raised a few laughs it sounded more scottish than french !!) before i told them so this sounds very promising
thanks once agina for your help it is much appreciated
linda x

Carter
I have found the birth reference for a Thomas Henry Williams in St Helier between 1/8/1891 and 29/12/1892.

I need to go to another office to look up the full reference but I'll try and get on to it next week.

Worked back a bit and found a marriage for a Thomas Williams, again in St Helier between Nov 1887 and Sept 1891. Cross-referencing it the only Esther who seems to match, (same page number) is Esther Elizabeth Laugee.

Again I'll look up the full details next week.

Pam

OK Gina - I'll do my best

I think there were probate records for both George and Ellen but some were closed.
The George that had probate records lived at 72 Bath St, St Helier.
Pam

Hi Pam

It does sound like my George and Ellen. I would very much like any other info regarding them both when you have the chance. Can you also get the Probate details?

regards
gina

Gina
I couldn't find anything in the parishes so I went back to St Helier and extended the time frame a bit in both directions.
I found a George William Salmon who died between Jan 1968 and Dec 1969.
There is an Ellen Elizabeth Salmon between 1973 and 1974. I think this is yours because the Archive also hold a record of probate for the same lady giving maiden name Hutchinson.
I could not find any records for Brian at all.
There are very few Salmon deaths, the only other ones I found were
Ann 1937-1939
Frank 1951-1953
Katherine Ella 1953-1956

I can look up further details of George and Ellen but as it means going to another office it will have to wait for another day.

Pam

hi pam
i have just found this family on the 1901 census so if there is anything you can tell me about ellen and thomas marriage or thomas henry their sons birth i would much appreciate it
thanks linda x

1901 England Census
about Esther Williams
Name: Esther Williams ( no idea of maiden name )
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas (thinks they might have married in jersey channel island )
Gender: Female
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands

Civil Parish: St Helen
Ecclesiastical parish: Sutton St Nicholas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Prescot
Sub registration district: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 52
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Williams 3 born sutton st helens lancashire
Esther Williams 27 born jersey channel islands
Mary Williams 4 born sutton st helens lancashire
Stanley John Williams 7 ireland ?
Thomas Williams 31 born flintshire wales
Thomas Henry Williams 9 born jersey Channel islands


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Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3526; Folio: 82; Page: 10.

Did you have any luck finding Salmon deaths?

gina