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Thistledown

Thistledown Report 12 Jun 2008 23:39



Here in Ireland since 2000 the name that a child is registered in has to stay on the register,but still if a child was born before 2000 the mother or father(once he is paying maintenance) can change the childs surname without the others premission.Before then both parents had to go to court and sign an advidavit(sp) to say that he was the father.
Most people now use a double-barrelled name usually the fathers name first.
Betty

Small blonde Angel

Small blonde Angel Report 12 Jun 2008 23:25

Hi all I got married the second time using my first married name which I had for 32 years, I got divorced after been married for 26 years. I was married when I was 16 so i had my ex's name for a long time. I did not want to go back to my maiden name when I got divorced.
Angela

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 12 Jun 2008 23:11

Thats cool :)

I'd like to do the same... my ex has annoyed me enough without looking at his name on my new cert (assuming after 11 years of waiting i get a cert) lol

Patricia

Patricia Report 12 Jun 2008 19:59

hi tracey,
when i remaried it did state on my marriage cert previous marriage dissolved but i dident have to use my previous name on the cert i used my maiden name.

kay

kay Report 12 Jun 2008 17:28

Hi ,all
I got married,2nd time,in the name I was known by,which was the surname of the bridegroom..

Small blonde Angel

Small blonde Angel Report 12 Jun 2008 17:23

My mother-in-law has just split from her 3rd husband, her second husband died, and to cut a long story short she wanted to go back to her second husband's surname but to do so she had to change her name by deed poll.
Angela

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 12 Jun 2008 16:14

Patricia,

Actually i believe you should have remarried with your married name and not your maiden name...!!

You actually have to prove your previous marriage was annulled/dissolved before you can remarry.

Did you tell them you were previously married? are you declared as a divorcee on your second cert, as should be the case? or are you wrongly classed as a spinster?

I'm sure there is a legal eagle here who could shed more light o this one..lol

Hmm...interesting one!

Tracey

Patricia

Patricia Report 12 Jun 2008 15:14

hi to everyone,
i was previously married and after we split i went back to using my maiden name and when i got married again i did so under my maiden name and did not have to give my previos name i dont know weather that was because there were no children or not also i havent listed my previous name in my family tree as i said because there were no children noone will want to trace him will they?

Debbie

Debbie Report 12 Jun 2008 14:24

it's quite funny really - how when we see an illegitimate child from the 1800's we are quite shocked and yet its an everyday occurrance now and people don't bat an eyelid

I know that I was shocked when Tracey found my G/grandmother and it turned out she was illegitimate

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 12 Jun 2008 14:19

It's such a minefield... this legitimacy.

...but still to this day when i see one on the parish records i tut and suck the teeth.. yet i am living the same life.

How times change!!

Tracey

Chris in Sussex

Chris in Sussex Report 12 Jun 2008 14:15

Angela

1927 saw the Legitimacy Act (bit of a pet subject of mine)

This meant that a child of parents who had not been married, to each other, at their birth and subsequently married could legitimise the child. But this was subject to strict conditions.

Fully explained here...

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~framland/acts/1926legitAct.htm

In 1868 if the parents were not married then the father should not have been named.

A good general explanation of the legal requirements for the historical registration of births can be found here...

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Chris



Debbie

Debbie Report 12 Jun 2008 13:45

Hi Tracey i'm the sames as you some of my children were in my maiden name - then I married the father and we had to have them reregisterd in my married name - they still show up in both names on Ancestry though - the original registration remains

Small blonde Angel

Small blonde Angel Report 12 Jun 2008 13:41

Tracey, do you know what the law was prior to 1929?
My great great grandmother was born as Anne Ingham Barker, but her marriage certificate gives her name as Ann Barker Ingham. I have not been able to find a marriage for her parents. One of my cousins has Ann's birth certificate and her marriage certificate. On both her father is George Inham and her mother on her Birth Cert is a Sarah Barker. She was born in 1868 was the law the same as it is now then?
Angela

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 12 Jun 2008 12:20

JMW,

When unmarried parents of a child then go onto marry, the law requires that the child is then reregistered with the fathers surname....it's done at the same time as the marriage, this is the main reason i chose to keep my children in my name... i had a bad experience and wanted to keep my family unit, i am not against marrying my partner but probably will do when the time is right.... i also know my children will not be left out as they must be reregistered as soon as we marry, they will therefore carry his name...

i) couples who marry following the registration of their child's birth.

When an unmarried couple have a child or children then subsequently marry, they by law have to re-register the child or children under the Legitimacy Act of 1929. They have to complete a LA1 form, the form must be signed by both parents. A copy of LA1 form can be collected from our office or downloaded from this website. The couple will need to make an appointment to re-register and along with the LA1 form they will need to produce their marriage certificate and the original birth certificate for the child.
Re-registration is only permitted when the marriage takes place in England or Wales. The child can at this point have their surname changed to that of the father or to be given a double-barrelled name. The mother's name can also be changed at this point. A new birth certificate is issued once the changes have been made. the fee of £3.50 is charged.
If the marriage takes place abroad, the LA1 form is sent to the General Register Office (GRO) who will then check the legitimacy laws of the country where the marriage took place. They will inform us what actions the couple need to take. We will then write to the couple informing them of the GRO decision.

JMW

JMW Report 12 Jun 2008 12:14

1. Children do not have to automatically take thier fathers surname. There is no law in this country which requires that to happen
2. Original registrations are never removed on re-registration. They still exist, but the later registration on legitimisation takes precedence.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 12 Jun 2008 12:05

lol if you mention the problems people will have finding us...

I married and was divorced 3 years later and immediately went back to my maiden name... all my children ( 1 in the marriage and 2 to my partner) all have my maiden name. The eldest i had to take my ex to court to do so...

When i marry again i will marry as my maiden name, altho i know my registration will have 2 entries because legally i am one name but known by another....and my children to my partner will automatically take his name and have to be reregistered... and i believe their original registration will be removed....!!!

....has anyone ever thought when they fill in their census forms who's going to be looking at this in years to come? I know i never did until i started doing this.... I'm not married to my partner and all my children have my name so how they gong to work out who he is??

Lets hope the tree i am doing carries on going and they will already have it!

Tracey
(living in fear of being someone else's enigma!!)

Small blonde Angel

Small blonde Angel Report 12 Jun 2008 11:56

Can I just say that when my descendants look at my second marriage they will have that problem. I live in Scotland and have done for a while but wanted to get married in Yorkshire, which is where I was born. So I stayed with my sister in Bradforn and Ricky stayed with his mum in Scotton to enable us to do so.
Angela

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 12 Jun 2008 11:51

Yes Devon Dweller..... have experienced that also!!

Seems they save on the banns costs by living in the same parish!

One of my ancestors used an address and we have no idea who they were!!

Tracey

Devon Dweller

Devon Dweller Report 12 Jun 2008 11:46

Even when they have addresses on them they are often borrowed and not their own....just so they can marry in that parish.

Margaretfinch

Margaretfinch Report 12 Jun 2008 11:40

Hi Patricia yes you can find out about paupers graves I trawled ancestry to find the death of my g/grandmother knowing the district it would come under and found it sent off for it and it was the right one. I then emailed the cemetery to ask if there was a grave for her they replied she had been buried in a paupers grave but since then a family had bought the plot but her remains were still there and they gave me the plot no:

Margaret