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Richard well done

I just found the same

I think i,ve found the marriage.

Edward r kitching-rose thornton sep q 1930 barton i vol 8c page 1677.

richard.

I'm presuming that he was registered under his mothers maiden name, and that she may have married a man called Kitching and your grandfather just took the name on.

Very many thanks. But why is his age estimated if they knew his birth date so accurately? And why doesn't he appear on the births register for that date?

This just give you the details that I have posted above. You could send for the cert. but its not going to tell you anything that you don't know.
But at least we know which years you are searching for now.

Ah OK. What information does it give? [of course it's presumably not going to lead to his birth details I presume?]

Name: Edward Richard Kitching
Birth Date: 7 Jul 1904
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1984
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 22
Page: 736

Does the age look right to you - now you have a time frame

david ive found his death record

Oh, and his middle name was Richard [supposedly]

Reaonable. He died in about 1983 [and is buried in Bristol] He died either in or near Bristol or Taunton.

Hi David
Sorry to sound morbid but do you have an approx date of death, age at death and area that your grandfather died in?

Also did your grandfather have any middle names?

Tks Ingrid but my father was born in 1933 so these would be too soon.

frankly, it's all a bit odd not only that my father doesn't even know, but neither does his brother or sister. In fact they all have different versions and myths. And yet he was a solid figure in their lives. I myself met him when I was in my teens. But the man remains a mystery. I think I'm going to have to go to Manchester...

Hi David

Not sure if you have a marriage certificate but I found this

Surname First name(s) Spouse District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Kirtland Walter C Timms Chipping N. 3a 1965
Kitching Charles E V Thornton Chipping N. 3a 1965
Thornton Annie Kitching Chipping N. 3a 1965
Timms Sarah A Kirtland Chipping N 3a 1965

cheers

Hi David
I have a similar problem with my grandfather but i did a search 10 years either side of my dads older sister and couldn't find a marriage for them. Someone else kindly found the marriage for me and it was 5 years after my dad was born. I purchase the marriage certificate which gave me my grandfathers age at marriage and his fathers name which then enabled me to find them on the 1901 cencus.

Try lancashire BMD...for Manchester

OK. I'm going to have to get a clearer idea of where he was married though. manchester is a big place, especially as I have no date. Anyway, many thanks for all your help everyone.

David

Hi David
You will need to find your grandfathers marriage cert first and purchase it from the GRO and then you will be able to work back from that to find your grandfathers birth.

All I have is what I've mentioned. I think he was married in Manchester though because he's thought to have owned an engineering firm there. There was a story that his father was a Canadian General, but this has proved a fallacy as I've traced the General and he was contemporary with my grandfather. I've written to a couple of people on here in whose tree the general appears asking about brothers of his father to see if I can work it through that way but am waiting for a response.

Do you have the marriage certificate? It should name his father, was his name Kitching? How old was Edward when he married and where did the marriage take place?

Sam x

All I have is that he married Rose Thornton and at that time, was called Edward Kitching. I'm grasping at straws with the name change theory simply because his birth is otherwise not registered which seems odd.