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when does the 1910 cencus come out - I suppose all the answers will be there

And he was thought to own an engineering company??

Maybe he managed an engineering franchise?

Or he was working at their Liverpool office?

Tracey :)

CPR are structual engineers today (just googled)

David it's a company paid trip, so i doubt it.... i would def say it's a business trip there are a few of them that have gone....

The Canadian aspect of that trip ties in with the fact that Crump are rememberd as relatives living in Canada perhaps...

Ann we've got that data and the cert...

It's going backwards from there they are struggling with !!

I do think he's your man!

Def is a business trip...

So now to find out who is C.P.R of London....

Hi David - I've only just started my parkes side and so far have not come accross a manx connection.............YET.lol

wow tracey ..... fingers crossed

Name: Edward KITCHING
Date of departure: 15 November 1938
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Montreal, Canada
Passenger destination: Montreal, Canada

Date of Birth: 1905 (calculated from age)
Age: 33
Marital status:
Sex: Male
Occupation: Manager

Travelling on the Duchess of Richmond, courtesy of C.P.R of London EC 3.

His permenant residence is listed as England which means this was a business trip....

ahhh ok, i'm looking at the migration reports, and altho most use them for finding people who emigrated.....not everyone emigrated!!!

So this means they show everyone who made a trip.... inc business trips. There is an Edward Kitching born 1905 shown as a manager making a trip to Canada....

Analysing the data now to see if it could be the Jnr guy!

Tracey :)

GG, your hannah parkes..my mothers maiden name. Does she have a Manx connection?

no it's never been mentioned

Edit: its thought he owned an engineering company

had to trawl back through thread.lol

Did we establish what Edward Richard Kitching did for a trade?

Tracey

david has order (today) the edward snr death certificate as he was 51 when he died i'm hoping his wife outlived him and that she was a witness

He's not scotland born (i've checked), but being born abroad is def an option...

We need to establish more on his father,,,,

I never thought of the chance that he could have been born in scotland or indeed India.

bertram another one born outside of 1901 cencus

This is most likely your Bertram

Births Jun 1907
CRUMP Bertram Birkenhead 8a 476

Hi tracey

No we've not found a birth for bertram crump - i just had a quick look for a marriage as I though He may have married the other witness

I need to paraphrase this now as it's so drawn out.

Edward Richard Kitching married Rose Thornton on 9 Aug 1930, he was 26 she was 24

Edwards Father was also Edward a Cotton Importer, died in 1922 aged 51 (b approx 1871).

Edward Richard Kitching jnr died in Bristol 1983 aged 70 (b approx 1904).

Witness's were May Thornton & Bertram Crump

......his age at marriage matches his appros date of birth, there maybe the option that May was courting Bertram and therefore they were a couple.

I agree there is a good chance that Edward Kitching was probably born with either his mothers name, or an option not mentioned...maybe he wasn't 'English' born?

Could he have been born in Scotland/Ireland and came down to Manchester area for work? ...or indeed if his father travelled, he might have been born in India where the cotton trade was big business?

Has a birth been found for Bertram and maybe find him on the census? He could well have been a neighbour if not May's partner...or a work collegue

Tracey

thank you tracey

you helped with my hannah parkes, I hope this ones easier than that