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Ah OK. What information does it give? [of course it's presumably not going to lead to his birth details I presume?]

This just give you the details that I have posted above. You could send for the cert. but its not going to tell you anything that you don't know.
But at least we know which years you are searching for now.

Very many thanks. But why is his age estimated if they knew his birth date so accurately? And why doesn't he appear on the births register for that date?

I'm presuming that he was registered under his mothers maiden name, and that she may have married a man called Kitching and your grandfather just took the name on.

I think i,ve found the marriage.

Edward r kitching-rose thornton sep q 1930 barton i vol 8c page 1677.

richard.

Richard well done

I just found the same

Ah..of course. Registered under mums name. Didn't think of that [new to this].

Wow, how did you you do that? Without knowing the year?

I'll order a copy right away. Thanks.

I hope you guys aren't spending valuable credits on my behalf....

David, you can order this cert online at the GRO website. they cost £7.00.

I've got another one for you. How do you trace a history of someone you know was born outside of marriage and whose fathers name doesn't appear on the birth certificate [or marriage], just her mothers?

David most people have illegitimate people on their tree it just means that you can only follow the maternal line. I've only been doing my family tree for just over a week so i'm sure that their are people on here with greater knowledge than me.

Well many thanks for your help. I'll come back if the marriage certificate is less than revealing...

David have sent you a PM re: Ancestry

If the child was baptized, then it is possible that the parish baptismal register might contain some details of the father, even post 1837.

Hi again.
Got the marriage certificate for my Grandfather, Edward Richard Kitching. But I can find no trace [anywhere] of his birth certificate. The Marriage cert states that his father was also called Edward Kitching and that he was a Manager in a cotton importters, but that at the time of Grandfathers marriage, he was dead. So there's apparently no way that I can go further back is there? There are dozens of Edward Kitchings and I have no idea how old he was when he died, where he died, who he married or anything else. The 'other' search engine on deaths doesn't work..just keeps searching on 'person' instead of name. Can anyone help?

Hi again David
How old was Edward at time of marriage and what area did the marriage take place

gossip girl

Wow. Do you ever sleep? ;-)
He was 26 years old, living in Old Trafford. The marriage took place in Burton upon Irwell and his wifes name was Rose Thornton, aged 24. The marriage took place on the 9th August 1930.

David

David - unfortunately i've got to do the girls tea - it's burning as i type.lol

hopefully will be back on later - and will take a look then - but hopefully someone else will have some ideas before then

OK, I have to shoot out for an hour anyway. Speak later.

Deaths June 1922 on free bmd

Kitching Edward Age 51 Barton upon irwell 8c 675

so born around 1871