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26 May 2008 08:57 |
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1901 England Census about James Slack Name: James Slack Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Ellington, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 4 Miall Road
Registration district: Lewisham Sub registration district: Sydenham ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 120 Household Members: Name Age
James Slack 54 House Painter b. Ellington, Hampshire Ellen Slack 65 b. Paddington George Dight 21 Transformer Attendant (Electrical Supply) (son in law) b. St. James Florence Dight 25 b. Southwark Florence Dight 1 b.Lewisham
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 556; Folio: 40; Page: 20.
Births Jun 1876 Slack Florence Ellen St. Saviour 1d 33
Marriages Mar 1899 Dight George William Greenwich 1d 1123 Slack Florence Ellen Greenwich 1d 1123
Births Dec 1899 Dight Florence Ellen Lewisham 1d 1196
I think this is one of their children - using Florence's father's middle name:
Births Sep 1906 Dight George Wheatley Lambeth 1d 393
Deaths Dec 1906 DIGHT George Wheatley 0 Lambeth 1d 223
If you go to www.nationalarchives.gov.uk you can download a copy of Jeffery Joseph Slack's Seaman's record for £3.50.
Just go to documents online and fill in the search form.
You should find this entry:
Description Name Slack, Jeffrey Joseph Official Number: 212548 Place of Birth: Penge, Surrey
Date 28 December 1884 Catalogue reference ADM 188/372 Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services Piece 212501-213000 Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference
Marriages Sep 1865 Higgs Ellen Chelsea 1a 441 Slack James Wheatley Chelsea 1a 441
Births Jun 1845 SLACK James Wheatly Huntingdon 14 202
Deaths Mar 1915 Slack James W 69 Lewisham 1d 1652
However I have come across this:
Marriages Sep 1927 Slack Jeffrey J Wren Lewisham 1d 2600
The corresponding spouse is not on freebmd but a check on Ancestry gives her name as Edith E.
I think that for some reason he went by the name Meredith - however his Seaman's record reflects his birth name - the place of birth as Penge is all too much of a coincidence.
Perhaps Elsie died and Jeffrey reverted to his birth name and married again or they divorced. I've not found a death so far for an Elsie L Meredith.
Do you know if your Jeffery James - son of Jeffery and Elsie had any siblings? Do you have a death for Jeffrey Joseph Meredith?
There is a possible re-marriage for Elsie -
Marriages Jun 1927 Hamper Nathan Meredith Newhaven 2b 463 MEREDITH Elsie L Hamper Newhaven 2b 463
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26 May 2008 08:56 |
MrsTibbetts
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Sue
Cecilia may have been pretending to be married - I found this entry in 1891:
1891 England Census about Cecilia Cockman Name: Cecilia Cockman [Cecilia Cohman] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Samues R Gender: Female Where born: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Johns Town: Peckham County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 10 Denmark Villa
Registration district: Camberwell Sub registration district: Camberwell ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
Samues R Cockman 37 Salesman b. Blackheath, Kent (I think his age is more like 31 - compared to the enumerators other 7's and 1's) Cecilia Cockman 25 b. Chelsea Florence E Cockman 5 b. Walworth Samuel R Cockman 3 b. Bow Albert E Cockman 6months b. Dulwich
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 468; Folio 52; Page 35; GSU roll: 6095578.
I'm not sure about the alternative name given on Ancestry - as the image is Cockman.
Found Samuel's death:
Deaths Jun 1893 Cockman Samuel Robert 35 Epsom 2a 3
As a salesman he may have travelled around a bit and died away from home.
He may have been married to someone else prior to him and Cecilia getting together:
Marriages Mar 1877 Banbury Eliza Susannah P Camberwell 1d 687 COCKMAN Samuel Roberts Camberwell 1d 687 Peakall William Camberwell 1d 687 ROGERS Elizabeth Annie Camberwell 1d 687
Here is Cecilia's christening - a bit after her birth:
CECILIA ANN SLACK Christening: 24 OCT 1869 Holy Trinity, Newington, Surrey, England Father: JAMES WHEATLEY SLACK Mother: ELLEN
Cecilia & Samuel's children:
Births Mar 1886 COCKMAN Florence Ellen St Saviour Southwark 1d 153
Haven't found one yet for Samuel!
Births Dec 1890 Cockman Albert Edward Camberwell 1d 743
Deaths Jun 1893 Cockman Albert Edward 2 Camberwell 1d 471
A possible child (Cecilia may have been pregnant when Samuel died?)
Births Mar 1894 Cockman Cecilia Agnes Camberwell 1d 888
Deaths Sep 1895 Cockman Cecilia Agnes 1 Camberwell 1d 491
Possible marriage for Florence - although looks like James Brightman married Louisa Spencer and the only likely looking 1901 entry for Walter Ruffle with a wife Florence has Florence aged 30 which doesn't fit.
Marriages Dec 1899 Brightman James William Greenwich 1d 1722 Cockman Florence Ellen Greenwich 1d 1722 Ruffle Walter Greenwich 1d 1722 Spencer Louisa Greenwich 1d 1722
1901 England Census about Cecilia Woof Name: Cecilia Woof Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John J Gender: Female Where born: Chelsea, London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham Ecclesiastical parish: All Angels, Christchurch, and St Michael County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 34 Miall Road
Registration district: Lewisham Sub registration district: Sydenham ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 145 Household Members: Name Age
John J Woof 48 Cornhandlers? Sundryman b. Spitalfields Cecilia Woof 35 b. Chelsea Fredk Woof 13 b. Peckham Samuel Cockman 13 b. Stepney (Stepson) Beatrice Woof 3 b. Peckham Rachael Jones 80 (single - Cousin) Living on Own Means b. St Georges in the East
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 556; Folio: 42; Page: 24.
Should be Woolf but is Woof on the image.
Again she and John were not officially married at that time.
Births Sep 1897 COCKMAN Beatrice M W Camberwell 1d 984
The marriage in 1905 ties it all up:
Marriages Dec 1905 SLACK Cecilia Ann Lewisham 1d 1984 WOOLF Jacob Jonas Lewisham 1d 1984
Here is Jacob/John in 1891:
1891 England Census about John Jonas Woolf Name: John Jonas Woolf Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Spitalfields, London, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews Town: Peckham County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 1 Haymerle? Road
Registration district: Camberwell Sub registration district: Peckham ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age
John Jonas Woolf 38 Manufactuer of Oilcans? Sundries (tins) b. Spitalfields Charlotte Woolf 37 b. Westminster Catherine Woolf 9 Scholar b. Camberwell Frederick Woolf 4 b. Camberwell
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 480; Folio 126; Page 30; GSU roll: 6095590.
As for the Meredith's pretty stuck - no Jeffrey Meredith's at all. You gave the name Mameretta - is this right?
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26 May 2008 08:55 |
Susan
Request review 17th May 2008 07:39
Hi debs & mrs tibs, thanks for slack&meredith info, the 2 sisters im helping are away together this weekend so ive given them a bit of info to start them off. there a bit gutted as they been trying for 3 yrs,& with your help we done it in a week, hope you mannage to solve it. cheers sue
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26 May 2008 08:53 |
Deb needs a change
Request review 16th May 2008 03:06
Hi Susan,
Something about this Slack family has been bugging me all morning and I've had to have another look at them.
In the 1891 census, take a look at Ellen's age. If she was 56 when Jeffrey was 7, then she would have been 49 when he was born. There's no way she could have been his mother as she was well past child-bearing age by then.
We'd raise our eyebrows at a woman of 49 falling pregnant naturally today. It would have been pysically impossible back then!
I think that James and Ellen were Jeffrey's grandparents and that Jeffrey was the illegitimate son of one of their daughters. I'm going to go back through the earlier census records to see what this family was up to.
Back soon.
Deb:)
OK. This is intresting. They had a daughter, Cecilia who would have been old enough to be Jeffrey's mother.
P.S. Edward Aslett is Ellen's father.
1881 England Census about James W. Slack Name: James W. Slack Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Huntingdon, England
Civil Parish: Kensington County/Island: London Country: England
Street address: 2 Clifton Place Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Painter
Registration district: Kensington Sub registration district: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Edward Aslett 79 Edward H. Higgs 22 Cecilia A. Slack 15 <<<<<<< Ellen Slack 46 Florence E. Slack 5 James W. Slack 36
1871 England Census about James Sloch Name: James Sloch (mistranscribed) Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Huntingdonshire, England Civil Parish: St George The Martyr Southwark Ecclesiastical parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub registration district: Kent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 177 Household Members: Name Age Cecilia Sloch 5 Edward Sloch 12 Ellen Sloch 30 James Sloch 27
Cecilia's birth:
Name: Cecilia A Slack Year of Registration: 1866 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Chelsea (1841-1981) County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 223
Cecilia didn't marry until 1905. I can't see her in 1891 or 1901. I wonder what she was doing?
Name: Cecilia Ann Slack Year of Registration: 1905 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Lewisham County: Greater London, Kent, London Volume: 1d Page: 1984
I'm going to have to leave this here, but I'll contact Mrs Tibs and see if she can find anything more on this family over the weekend.
Deb:)
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26 May 2008 08:52 |
Deb needs a change
Request review 15th May 2008 11:10
Hi Susan,
OK. This is the birth I've found.
Name: Jeffrey Joseph Slack Year of Registration: 1884 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Croydon County: Greater London, Kent, Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 229
Here he is with his parents James and Ellen visiting friends in Lewisham in 1891.
1891 England Census about Joseph Slack Name: Joseph Slack Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Friend Gender: Male Where born: Penge, London, England
Civil Parish: Lewisham Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels Town: Sydenham County/Island: London Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image
Registration district: Lewisham Sub registration district: Sydenham ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Emily Lawrence 13 Rose J Lawrence 8 John Leadon 56 Maria Leadon 49 Ellen Slack 56 Florence Slack 15 James Slack 45 Joseph Slack 7
I can't find any of this family in 1901. There's a few deaths for the parents after 1891 but nothing that even remotely fits Jeffrey.
You mentioned something about adoption. Could Jeffrey Joseph Slack have been adopted by the Merediths?
Before ordering the birth cert, post a request on records board to see if anyone else can find this family in 1901. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to search for mistranscriptions but that could be one reason why they disappear after 1891. I'd hate to think that you'd ordered the wrong cert because I'd overlooked something.
If this is your Jeffrey, then his father's name contradicts the info on Jeffrey's marriage cert, but I have a marriage cert that does the same, so it's not so uncommon.
Deb:)
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26 May 2008 08:51 |
Susan
Request review 14th May 2008 10:23
Hi debs meredith marriage cert says he was a labourer,& there is adoption somewhere. thanks sue
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26 May 2008 08:50 |
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Request review 14th May 2008 01:45
Hi Susan,
I think I might be onto something but I need you to confirm Jeffrey's father's occupation on the marriage cert.
I don't think Jeffrey Joseph was born a Meredith.
Deb:)
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26 May 2008 08:49 |
Susan
Request review 13th May 2008 06:56
Hi, debs can mrs tibbs find birth entry for jeffrey joe meredith, about 1882 he,s on 1901 census in royal navy,(northampton) born in croydon.married elsie lillian harvey 20-01-1923.witness is mameretta meredith.his father also jeffrey. & any other info would be great as my friend been searching for 2yrs,ive had a quick look but can only find death certs. thanks sue
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26 May 2008 08:48 |
This thread has been transfered from "findmypast look-ups". All who are able to contribute to it, please do.
We're really struggling to find a link between census records and birth refs for Jeffrey Joseph Meredith and his sister Frances. If you have the ability to see side-ways, please help.
If you read through the thread first, it will help to save time in the long run as it's quite convaluted.
Thanks.
Deb:)
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