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Hi Kay. This is the correct family but they didn't marry until 1885. Emily is a Bould. Arthur and William are Harriet s and George's children. George is from his first marriage.

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Edd Groves Head Married Male 41 1840 Warehouseman Leominster, Herefordshire, England Transcription
Harriett Groves Wife Married Female 34 1847 Boot Machinist Stafford, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Emily Groves Daughter Single Female 17 1864 Cigar Maker Stafford, Staffordshire, England Transcription
George Groves Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Finsbury, Middlesex, England Transcription
Arthur Groves Son Single Male 1 1880 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription
William Groves Son Single Male 0 1881 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Transcription


could George snr have married 2 Harriets?they also have son Arthur.

Hi Greyghost

I don't know why but I had ruledd that out but I can t remember why.

I might just order it to see if there is any link.

Best Wishes

Jane

Is it pure coincidence that an Annie GROVES is shown marrying Samuel Hastilow in the same quarter as George and Harriet??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1886 (>99%)
BOULD Harriet Birmingham 6d 223
GROVES Annie Birmingham 6d 223
GROVES George Birmingham 6d 223
HASTILOW Samuel Birmingham 6d 223

Hi Kay

I have ordered that certificate but the father is listed as Charles Groves.

Thank you for looking.

Jane

Births Mar 1874 (>99%)
Groves George Alfred Hackney 1b 435 .

could the year be 1874 and not 1873? a Jan birth would usually appear in the Jan/March.

Hi Susan

Thanks for your reply.

Yes I have all that information as she is my great grandmother. What I am looking for is the information on George Groves prior to his marriage with Harriet.

Thank you again

Jane

Very late reply.
Harriet Merricks married Thomas Bould 1862, she was born 17th March 1845. The couple had four children before Thomas died.
Harriet later married George Edward Groves in 1885 Birmingham, They had another four children. George was also married before having a child also named George born in London 1873.
The Merricks are my grandmothers side.

Regards
Sue

Many thanks for that June but still cannot place 1st marriage. Any ideas?

BW

Jane

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SARA BASS


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Marriages:
Spouse: JAS GROVES
Marriage: 1835 Havering, Essex, England




June x

Cannot locate George for definite on the 1861 or 1871. Any ideas?

BW

Jane

Marriage cert info


George Groves is down as being 44 and Harriet Bould nee Merricks is down as 46. Harriet's info for sure is incorrect as she was born 1845 and as I said earlier, my great aunt had written down both their birth dates. The birth date on Harriet's birth certificate which I sent for matches what my great aunt had written and the birth certificate birth date which I sent for matches exactly the date that my great aunt had written down for George Groves also. The census info confuses me slightly as George says he was born in Herefordshire.

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Jane

Name: James Grones
[James Groves]
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Lambourne
Hundred: Ongar
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Chipping Ongar
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Grones 5
Elizabeth Grones 3
George Grones 1
Hony Grones 8
James Grones 50
John Grones 19
Sarah Grones 30

1841?

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Jane

Name: Sarah Groves
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Limehouse, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Stapleford Abbotts
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Ongar
Sub-registration district: Bobbingworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Groves 15
Elizabethe Groves 12
George Groves 10
Henery Groves 17
Sarah Groves 38

Without James/Thomas as a Widow?

BW

Jane

June, Still Looking,

Thank you both so much for helping. I realise my mum has the marriage certificate at the moment. She will be back this afternoon so I will give her a ring and get the details.

Still Looking - yes I did wonder whether it was the use of a second name ie James known as Thomas etc. I can't talk as I go by my second name!!

May also be worth looking at the White guy will have a think

Will put the census details up that I have re Sarah, George's mum. I will also put the details of who I think George is on 1861 - this is a pure guess and has no firm basis but you may be able to help me rule him out!

Best Wishes

Jane

Worth a go?

Arthur George White
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Ongar
County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 134

Marriages Dec 1858

Groves Sarah Ongar 4a 96
White William Ongar 4a 96

I think it's past my bedtime?...confused dot com!

Name: George Groves
Birth: abt 1873 - Finsbury, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1881 - Birmingham, Warwickshire, England



Name: George A Groves
Birth: abt 1873 - London City, Middlesex, England
Residence: 1891 - Bordesley, Aston, Warwickshire, England


this is George on both census but still no birth


June x

It looks to me that we have the age old problem of rellies using second Christian names!?

James Thomas? Thomas James?

June,

That is the birth certificate I sent for and funny thing is it gives exactly the same date of birth that my great aunt had written down - coincidence or what? But is he the correct one. The parents are James Groves and Sarah Bass on birth certificate. James, I think must have died and I think Sarah married a guy called White but none of this is concrete as on George's 2nd marriage certificate it says father - Thomas Groves Gardner. However, I do realise that Thomas and James can look the same depending on the writing - could this be a minor mistake.

BW

Jane