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We have got the certs that we applied for so far, well my mum has them and now for the first time in her life my mum knows when her mothers birthday was. However we have drawn a blank finding any of her aunts, uncles or cousins at all. If there is anyone out there that knows anything I would love to be able to give her the ultimate birthday present..... just to know where someone is or even that there is someone out there somewhere.
We have been down to poplar and discovered that there is nothing left, we have also been to gaverick street where my mums parents lived and again had we done this 20 years ago there would've been buildings and people that may have known something but now all there is left are a few cobbles and an empty street. Although a few houses were built at one end in the 80's thats all that is there now. The last buildings of Bishop Chaloners School are scheduled to be demolished this year and that will be the last of what may have been there. Both areas are sadly unrecognisable. If there is anyone that can help in anyway no matter how small please please get in touch as soon as possible.
Thanks

haveyou got the certificates?

If there is any possibility that there is anyone out there that has the name GREEN or who's mother or grandmother had the maiden name of GREEN. Please get in touch.
I know now that my mothers Auntie Lizzie was the one that lived out in Essex, somewhere near Southend perhaps?!?
I also know that my Grandmother was born on 19th August 1914 to John Charles and Margaret Green nee Sullivan in Poplar and that she was one of five perhaps even more. I know that her name was also Margaret and that I am awaiting some more certificates that will hopefully give me the dates for her Sister MARY GREEN's birth and her brother PATRICK D GREEN's birth. I know that LIZZY had children that where around about the same age as my mother and her sister. so that would put them in their late 50's to early 70's now. She is so far the hardest to find info on, as there is so little to go on I would love to find someone that knows something.
We now have the date of birth and death of a little baby girl who never made it beyond 2months and died of pneumonia, she was my Auntie Mary my mothers sister.
I have been to the areas in Poplar, Stepney etc. There is very little if anything left of what might have been there when my Grandmother was around. A few crumbling walls a couple of streets away and a few cobbles are all thats left. I saw the stretch of the Thames where my great grandfather is supposed to have met his maker.
I have as yet to find any records that point me in the direction of documentation regarding the death of his wife Margaret Green nee Sullivan. Who we believe survived both her husband and daughter by some years but died in CLAYBURY ASYLUM some time after Feb 1946.
If anyone out there is looking for a Green or a Sullivan please get in touch. You just never know.

..bookmarked for reference.

We have sent off for a number of certificates and are waiting to see what they show and see if we are on the right track yet or not, otherwise we will be back to square one as far as Margaret's family is concerned

Right we are starting to get somewhere, have found a line that could be the right one but then again as these things go it could be a complete red herring. but what i really want to know i cannot find....
PATRICK possibly aka PADDY
ELIZABETH possibly aka LIZZIE or LIZZY
MARY
JOHN possibly aka JOHNNY.
what happened to these after FEB 1946, the pieces going back are starting to come together POSSIBLY.
JOHN/JOHNNY apparently doted on my mum, she is the image of her mother even at a young age. Yet I CANNOT find him. Either MARY or ELIZABETH lived out in ESSEX towards SOUTHEND at some point in their lives. I can find no trace of them so far, not even so much as a photo. Even though we don't have much that belonged to or even much about MARGARET.
CABLE STREET at the time shortly after she died, there was a shop close by called GREENBON/NES or GREENBAUMS perhaps. I believe that the proprietor/manager was a Jewish lady.
Does anyone remember or know of the shop related to those people because that woman in that shop knew my grandmother when she lived in that area, so much so that she was able to point to the window of a basement and tell two young girls that their mother lived there and what a lovely woman she was.
THE BREWINS of CABLE STREET, apparently the mother of the family had a pair of earrings and they had been my grandmothers, MARGARET'S and on visits she told the two young girls that they had been their mothers earrings. All this happened after 1946 their father used to take them back to the east end to visit family and friends. If anyone out there knows anything please leave a message.

Found it! death index
Margaret Abideen age 31 years
Paddington
volume 1a
page82
jan-mar quarter 1946

We are trying to look into Catholic records of the time and now suspect that she is purely of Irish descent and may not have been born there.
Also trying to get the lighterman records too

Hi Janice,
Didn't think to get the witness names, didn't know that they could or would be of any use. I will see who's marriage cert it is, but i think that it is Margarets, and that her father was marked as deceased, and I also know that he was a lighterman on the thames, and we were always told that he was killed working on the thames as he jumped between barges. His wife was sent to Claybury Asylum some time after his death. Margaret visited her at Claybury for some time with two cousins i think they were, after her death we are told that noone visited again.

Acouple of free sites that are being added to all the time
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ http://www.freecen.org.uk/
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/

If you know he was deceased have you seen the marriage cert? if so do you have witness names etc.

1881 census is the only free to see details others need subscription or credits.sites like http://www.ancestry.co.uk sometimes offer free trials. I have sub. for ancestry if you want any look ups

hello out there, do i need to pay to look things up in the 1901 census and those before it or is there anyway of doing this free?

Hi Janice,
It's possible/would appear that JOHN CHARLES GREEN was dead by 1938, as I think that is when Margaret married and he is listed as deceased on the cert

?birth Name: John C Green
Year of Registration: 1916
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Sullivan
District: Poplar (To 1965)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 934
Birth?
Name: Margaret Green
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Sullivan
District: Poplar (To 1965)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 942
possible siblings
Name: James C Green
Year of Registration: 1919
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's Maiden Name: Sullivan
District: Poplar (To 1965)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 916

Seems that the family or parts of it lived in POPLAR, STEPNEY, LEICESTER and PADDINGTON.

Also a possibility that Margaret and possibly none of her siblings were actually born in ireland now. They may have been somewhere in Poplar, we have a possible on that one so i will update when i have more info.

I also thought that I had posted a message on a board looking for the BREWIN family that lived in CABLE STREET, yes the one thats famous for the battle of cable street.
Apparently the mother of this family was good friends with Margaret, so much so that after Margaret died her two daughters were taken to visit and were showed something by the mother of the family which she said used to belong to Margaret.

Wearwa

You cannot see the actual certificates anywhere online ................ the above are the registration details that you can find on www.freebmd.org.uk, between September 1837 and about 1920, or on ancestry or findmypast.

You have to buy the actual certificate to see any more detail, and you do that from www.gro.gov.uk. Each certificate will cost £7



sylvia

if you look back to the 1st post above
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
go to this site and go to order certificates online