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Potty
Thank you for all the work today. Yes iam getting more confused. I think its because there are loads of Oxleys in Cripplegate...
Also thanks to Joan....

Regards Linda

Have to go off line now, Linda. Hope this hasn't confused you even more!

One more birth:

Births Jun 1840 (>99%)

Oxley Joseph Et London 2 214

James's Death:?
Deaths Jun 1841 (99%)

OXLEY James Et London 2 139

This gets odder and odder :

JAMES OXLEY Pedigree

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY GRAY Family
Marriage: 13 DEC 1835 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

On the 1841 image there is note that could be Wid(ow)
I wonder if that Mary could have been married to a James - there are these baptisms from the IGI that would tie in with the children:

WILLIAM HENRY OXLEY Pedigree

Birth: 22 JUN 1838
Christening: 22 JUL 1838 Saint Giles Cripplegate, London, London, England
Parents:
Father: JAMES OXLEY Family
Mother: MARY

JOSEPH OXLEY Pedigree

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 JUL 1840 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

Age at Christening: 1

Parents:
Father: JAMES OXLEY Family
Mother: MARY

JAMES OXLEY Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 18 SEP 1836

Christening: 09 OCT 1836 Saint Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, England

Parents:
Father: JAMES OXLEY Family
Mother: MARY

Linda

I cannot find the family in 1861. I have looked at several images from Cripplegate and they are very difficult to read - they must have been mistranscribed of even not transcribed at all.

Also, I cannot find births for Elizabeth and Thomas or a marriage for Henry to either a Ellen or a Mary.

I wouldn't be too sidetracked by that Sheffield marriage - as you say it is a long way from London and they did seem to live in Cripplegate most of their lives or said they did!!

This would appear to be Mary in 1841 - the image says Oxley and they are living in Moor Square which is where it says James was born in 1871

Mary Axley
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: St Giles Without Cripplegate
Hundred: London Without the Walls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Axley 4 6 Mo
Joseph Axley 1
Mary Axley 23
William Axley 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 727; Book: 3; Civil Parish: St Giles Without Cripplegate; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 20; Page: 34; Line: 2; GSU roll: 438831.

Mary was not born in Middlesex according to this but the children were

Andy

Yes I also noticed that but didnt want to say and confuse you even more. .Thats why I have bought Young Henrys birth & marriage cert. Its says on both father Henry Oxley

Whose marriage was in Leeds?

Even more confusing - in 1851 there is another Oxley family living in the same house - William and Jane with a 2 year old son Henry.

Yes Joan this is why I need help I have them on my tree as they are living at Vine St. Thats the address on Henrys birth cert...But marriage records we have previous is for Leeds Yorks..Its a long way from London.. It says Henry was born Cripplegate..Help

1851 England Census
about Henry Oxley
Name: Henry Oxley
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Cripplegate

Civil Parish: St Giles Cripplegate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: East London
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Oxley 28
Henry Oxley 30

Linda,

This isn't making any sense--found this record for a Henry and Ellen in 1851, his occupation is a Hawker of fish. The birth for this Henry is 1821. This can't be your family.

Thank you for all your time its much appreciated....Linda

1871 for ref:

1871 England Census
about Henry Oxley
Name: Henry Oxley
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary - widow, born Moor Square Cripplegate
Gender: Male
Where born: Uine Court Cripplegate

Civil Parish: St Botolph Without Aldersgate
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: Cripplegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Oxley 14
Henry Oxley 26
James Oxley 32
Mary Oxley 52
Thomas Oxley 16

There is a ten year gap between Henry and Thomas - I would have expected Henry and James to have been the children of Henry Snr's first wife and Elizabeth and Thomas to be the children of his second wife.

Can't seem to find the marriage for either "Gray" or "Grey". Still looking at other misspellings.

Joan

Potty
No I havnt found marriage to Mary Gray

This may Ellen Oxley's death record. Henry would have then remarried to Mary Gray after this date.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Ellen Oxley
Name: Ellen Oxley
Year of Registration: 1848
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 3
Page: 43

Sorry Linda - confused my self - didn't read the post correctly.

Have you found his marriage to Mary Gray?

Still confused that you say he was living with Ellen in 1851 when Henry jnr (Mary's son) was born 1846!

You won't be able to get a birth for him - the nearest would be a baptism from parish records.

His marriage cert to Mary should give you his father's name which might help in searching for a baptism but as we don't know where he was born that could be difficult.

Linda, you would have to check out the archives for Leeds, Yorkshire for this marriage record. It's before the civil registration.