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I am stuck trying to find the remaining 3 children for Henry and Eliza Smith....I have kept all of the research data from this thread for reference.
I have listed the children found at the end of this thread.

no such thing as divorce for the ordinary man in those days. Have you found his birth registration ?

???

Name: Henry Smith
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Spouse Name: Eliza Newbury
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 May 1858
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Henry Robert Smith
Spouse Father Name: John Newbury

You will need to compare professions addredded witnesses to work out the correct one. Also get to the the ones that are not yours to help eliminate possible records.

DO you have later census records to give some markers?

Try this one to start with

1851 census -
Address: 2, Ely Place, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
SMITH, Fredrick Head Married M 50 1801 Cordwainer
East Dereham
Norfolk VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 33 1818
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 14 1837
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Unmarried M 10 1841
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, John Son Unmarried M 8 1843
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, David Son Unmarried M 4 1847
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 1 1850
Bethnal Green VIEW
SMITH, William Son Unmarried M 29 1822 Cordwainer
Bethnal Green

1841 census -
Address: Ely Place, St Matthew Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets
SMITH, Frederick M 40 1801 VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth F 25 1816 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, William M 20 1821 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred M 13 1828 Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry M 0 (6 months) 1841 Middlesex

Can you tell from the 1861 if this is your couple??
Name: Henry Smith Occ: Labourer 2 Digby Street
Age: minor

Spouse Name: Eliza Broomhead 3 Ely Place
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1860
Parish: St Andrew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith Occ: Cordwainer
Spouse Father Name: James Broomhead Occ:Turner
Witnesses were James Broomhead and Elizabeth Smith



1861 census transcription details for: 2, Digby Street, St Matthew Bethnal Green
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG09 Piece: 252 Folio: 9 Page: 18

Reg. District: Bethnal Green Sub District: 1 Hackney Road
Parish: St Matthew Bethnal Green Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: St Simons Zelotes City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 2, Digby Street, St Matthew Bethnal Green County: London, Middlesex
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 19 1842 Labour
Bethnal Green
Middlesex
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 19 1842 Tailoress
Bethnal Green
Middlesex
SMITH, Henry Son M 0 1861
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

Maureen

No Lindsay, no records anywhere that I am limited to find.
That's the marriage that looked suitable, but I see the birth year is 1830, so too early for my Henry.
There was another suitable marriage I found on FREE BMD, but it couldn't decipher the page number, so don't know if there was an Eliza in it.
Apart from a few Henry Smiths in Bethnal Green in the 1841 and 1851 census', I can't find any trace of his birth, parents or marriage.

no problem , where did you get him from ? Is he on a census , does he have children etc, please ?

Is this your Henry?

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Henry
Address: 52, Brook Street, Hackney
SMITH, Henry Head Married M 40 1841 Shopkeeper
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Wife Married F 40 1841
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 20 1861 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 19 1862 Plasterer
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Helps In Shop
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alice Daughter Single F 8 1873 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 5 1876 Scholar
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Eliza Daughter Single F 0 1881
Bethnal Green
Middlesex

Just had a look at one of the census I have saved.
Maureen, if you take a look at the original view of the 1861 census, you will see underneath, nextdoor at 3 Digby is FREDERICK SMITH, and his wife Eliza, who mysteriously reappears after disappearing in the 1841 and 51 census.
Coincidence?

I do have that census, but extra children on it, though Harriet, Eliza (My G Grandmother), Elizabeth and Henry all fit..but have learned my lesson regarding guessing.

?? born 28 th nov 1840


Name: Henry Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 20 Dec 1840
Father's Name: Frederick Smith cordwainer
Mother's Name: Elizth Smith
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Ely place !

Spouse Name: Eliza Broomhead 3 Ely Place
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1860
Parish: St Andrew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Frederick Smith Occ: Cordwainer
Spouse Father Name: James Broomhead Occ:Turner
Witnesses were James Broomhead and Elizabeth Smith

This looks like the one Maureen.

Years fit, Elizabeth would have been Henry's mother or sister.
And this would give me a definite to the 41 and 51 census.

And this is the one marriage record I couldn't access on Free BMD because the transcribers couldn't read the page number.

But again, I have to be sure.

What I now need to do is to look into the other children listed...Alice, Alfred and John.

Far from disappearing I think if you look at the 1861 It says that Frederick is a shoemaker from Norfolk which fits in with the 1841 and 1851 I posted earlier.

2 more with father Frederick cordwainer View Record

Eliza Elizabeth Smith Baptism 1 Jul 1838 Frederick Smith,
Elizabeth Smith St Matthew, Bethnal Green Tower Hamlets
View Record

Jane Mary Smith Baptism 20 Jan 1839 Frederick Smith,
Elizth Smith

one address looks like Ely place

Does your Eliza's marriage come up in the London marriages? Just wondering if we can compare signatures for this one:
Name: Alfred James Smith Occ:Glass Silverer 13 The Grove Homerton
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Rosetta Drew
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 18 Jun 1899
Parish: St John at Hackney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Henry Smith Occ:Shopkeeper
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Drew Occ:Blacksmith
Witnesses were Henry Smith and >>>>>Eliza Smith

At least one of them had a middle name,so his birth cert might not be too hard to find.

Maureen

My apologies, used to reading it as head then wife, especially with the age difference.
Interesting though that William is listed in the 1841 census age 20, then listed in the 1851 census age 29 and a son. Possible it should have read 10 in 1841 and it is 19 in 1851. Also possible Frederick had William with a previous wife, then married Elizabeth after.

Maureen, 1901 ... Henry Smith, aged 60 confirmed living at 13 The Grove, Homerton. BINGO.

Just sourced 1881 census for Thomas Drew...boy did that family get around.

This is possibly Henry's brother?

1881 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, David
Address: 10, Crozier Terrace, Hackney
SMITH, David Head Married M 35 1846 Twine Spinner
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 35 1846 Twine Spinner Wife
Bethnal Green
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Ada Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Frederick Son Single M 11 1870 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Jane Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Henry Son Single M 1 1880
Homerton
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Infant Son Single M 0 1881
Homerton
Middlesex

1901 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, David
Address: 38, Brooksbys Walk, Hackney
SMITH, David Head Married M 55 1846 Twine Finisher
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 56 1845
Bethnal Green
London VIEW
SMITH, Harriet Daughter Single F 27 1874 Xylonite Polisher
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 21 1880 Twine Warehouseman
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, David Son Single M 16 1885 Labourer Twine Ground
Homerton
London VIEW
SMITH, Jack Son Single M 12 1889
Homerton
London