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1841 census say he was living with Grace Sargent (Spence). I cannot find any proof of a marriage, or his birth. They had a son James b 1844. My father said one of his ancestors came from America, I am wondering if this is the one. Mathew was a stonemason. Would appreciate any help Marjorie (nee Sargent)

Name: Matthew Sargent
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 26 Mar 1848
Burial Place: Darlington, Durham, England
Death Date:
Death Place:
Age: 36
Birth Date: 1812
Birthplace:
Occupation:
Race:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01117-9
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1514539
Reference Number: pg 88, no. 699
Collection: England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991

Name: Thomas Sargent
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 09 Jan 1843
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Cuthbert, Darlington, Durham, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Matthew Sargent
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Grace
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01767-8
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1514535
Reference Number: item 2 p 195
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

the 1841 census for our reference ....... when he died is not of much use, we need to know about when he was born !

the burial record cagsie posted may have a more accurate birthdate ... it is very hard to see his age on the image ...

Name: Matthew Sargent
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: Haughton Le Skerne
Hundred: Darlington (South East Division)
County/Island: Durham
Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Aycliffe

Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Sargent 24
Grace Sargent 20


and the shame is that his page in the census is so faint that the notation for 'where born' is almost invisible

but it looks like 'N' for not-in-county ... I can't see it at all for Grace

if he had been born somewhere other than England it _should_ have said 'I' for Ireland or 'S' for Scotland ..... or 'FP' for foreign parts .... like north america

but what people said on censuses was not always correct

can anyone do better than me to read that notation ?

Grace in 1851

Name: Gran Hastwell
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert Hastwell
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Haughton Le Skerne, Durham, England <<<

Civil Parish: Darlington

Robert Hastwell 25
Gran Hastwell 28
Thomas Sergent 8 stepson of Robert
Sarah Ann Sergent 4 it says daughter of Robert


if you subscribe to Ancestry you could correct Grace's name so anyone else who searches for her can find her and could contact you

the surname certainly doesn't look like Hastwell to me

but I can't see a marriage

... no, enlarging the image I'm wrong, it does look like Hastwell

and look

Marriages Mar 1851
Cann Elizabeth Darlington 24 55
Hastwell Robert Darlington 24 55 ??
Horsman William Darlington 24 55
Huse Ann Darlington 24 55
McDermott Bernard Darlington 24 55
McDermott Michael Darlington 24 55
McGanty Ann Darlington 24 55
Spence Grace Darlington 24 55 ??



Matthew and Grace were not married ?

GRACE SPENCE
Birth:
Christening: 15 DEC 1822 Haughton Le Skerne, Durham, England
Parents:
Father: JAMES SPENCE
Mother: MARY
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: C035941

Thank you for your help. Graces parents were called John and Mary. I did not know there were siblings of my Great Grandfather. Unfortunately my father got dementia before I started the family tree.

Hi Marjorie, I guess you have a record that tells you that Grace's parents were John and Mary.

That baptism I posted above with parents James and Mary is certainly awfully close to her details and I don't see another.

The certificate of the marriage to Hastwell should give you her father's name if you want to know it for sure.


sibling -- the baptism for Sarah Ann that Janet posted is the same as the Sarah in the 1851 household I would say, so yes, it looks like a sister

Hi chrissiex. Matthew & Grace look as though they were living with John & Mary on the 1841 Census, at least they all appear on the same page.

Yes, it looks as if there was two siblings, and also that Matthew and Grace were 'living over the brush' as the saying goes.

I did send for Matthews birth certificate and worked out he was born about 1812, I suppose a 2 could look like a 7 if written incorrectly.

Sarah was born after her Father died.

I have the family bible started by James when he married, he never thought to put the names of either his or his wifes parents, that would have been a great help.

Thank you to you all for your help
Marjorie

Hi chrissiex. Grace married Robert Hartwell, i carried on from your helpful info. Then remembered my great-uncle was always known as Robert H, yes the H stood for Hartwell. Thanks again for setting me in the right direction.
Just Matthews puzzle to solve now.
Marjorie

glad it helped, a little anyway !

Hartwell ... not Hastwell ... you just never can tell, lol

Hi Chrissiex.
Not had much time for research for a while, but you were correct it is Hastwell. I found a little bit more about them, but Matthew is still a mystery.
There is a possibility that he was living under an assumed name. Perhaps had a wife and family elsewhere.
Thanks again for your help

Durham Records Online

http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com/SearchResults.php

says that the 1841 census gives a N for Not born in county.
They only have the one census and the death record for Matthew.

Do you have Sarah Ann b 1847 birth cert? It looks as if she was born before Matthew's death but registered as Hastwell:

Births Sep 1847 (>99%)

HASTWELL Sarah Ann Darlington 24 55

Matthew Sargent
mentioned in the record of James Sargent
Name: Matthew Sargent
Gender: Male
Wife: Grace
Son: James Sargent
Other information in the record of James Sargent
from England Births and Christenings
Name: James Sargent
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Aug 1844
Christening Place: St. Cuthberts, Darlington, Durham, England
Father's Name: Matthew Sargent
Mother's Name: Grace

Matthew Seargentson
mentioned in the record of Sarah Ann Seargentson
Name: Matthew Seargentson
Gender: Male
Wife: Grace
Daughter: Sarah Ann Seargentson
Other information in the record of Sarah Ann Seargentson
from England Births and Christenings
Name: Sarah Ann Seargentson
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 Sep 1848
Christening Place: St Cuthberts, Darlington, Durham, England
Father's Name: Matthew Seargentson
Mother's Name: Grace

Matthew Sargent
England and Wales Census, 1841
birth: 1817
residence: 1841 Haughton Le Skerne, Durham, England

Hi Potty

This is the thread I messaged you about.

PM from Marjorie to which the above thread refers:

Sorry not been searching for a while. I do not have a birth certificate for Sarah Anne, but Grace married someone called Hastwell or Hartwell.
Grace used her maiden name when she married, so I am assuming she and Matthew were not married but they appear with her parents on the 1841 census.
Sarah was christened as Sargentson, unless that was a miss spell on the info I saw.

Just checked the birth I posted above for Sarah Ann and it isn't her - GRO gives mmn as Johnson:

HASTWELL, SARAH ANN JOHNSON Order
GRO Reference: 1847 S Quarter in DARLINGTON UNION Volume 24 Page 55

Sarah Ann's marriage:


Name:Sarah Ann Sargeant
Gender:Female
Marital Status:Single
Age:20
Birth Date:1846
Marriage Date:21 Jul 1866
Marriage Place:St. John'S, Darlington, Durham, England
Father: Matthew Sargeant
Spouse:William Frederick Metcalfe