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I am trying to find any relatives of Charles Rennie from Sunderland.

He was killed in WWI aged 49ish according to war records - he is buried in France - I thought this was strange being over there at that age.

He was married to Mary Elizabeth nee Holmes in 1902 and lived in Silver Street Sunderland and who was married previously to John Lawson (who I can't find any trace of after 1894).

I didn't know this family existed until I started doing the family tree.

Charles as it turns out is my mother's grandfather - my great grandfather - I know he and Mary had had about 11 children and she had 3 children before that.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks Lynn

Tried 1911 but site closed for maintenance! Can still do free search though. Cross-checked for marriage year & Mary's name and came up with:

RENNIE CHARLES M 1867 44 Sunderland Durham
RENNIE MARY E F 1868 43 Sunderland Durham

Possible off-spring??

RENNIE BELLA F 1903 8 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD RENNIE ELLEN F 1908 3 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD RENNIE MARY E F 1905 6 Sunderland Durham
HOUSEHOLD RENNIE THOMASINA F 1910 1 Sunderland Durham

1911 census -


RENNIE, Mary E Wife Married
9 years F 43 1868 Durham Sunderland
LAWSON, Annie Daughter Single F 19 1892 Spinning Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Ettey Daughter F 15 1896 Spinning Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Charles Son M 13 1898 School Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Fred Son M 11 1900 School Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Bella Daughter F 8 1903 School Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Mary E Daughter F 6 1905 School Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Ellen Daughter F 3 1908 Durham Sunderland
RENNIE, Thomasina Daughter F 1 1910 Durham Sunderland

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30208 Reference:
RG14PN30208 RD555 SD2 ED27 SN10

Registration District:
Sunderland Sub District:
Sunderland East Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
Sunderland

Address:
31 Silver St Sunderland County:
Durham

1911 census -


PETERSON, Charles Head Married M 45 1866 Stone Miner In Coal Mine Chrstian Norway Resident
PETERSON, Amelia Wife Married
13 years F 36 1875 Printer Kent
PETERSON, Charles Son Single M 11 1900 School Durham Sunderland
PETERSON, Dorothy Daughter Single F 12 1899 School Durham Sunderland
PETERSON, Ruby Daughter Single F 5 1906 Durham Newcastle Sunderland
PETERSON, Frederick Son Single M 5 1906 Durham Sunderland
PETERSON, Violet Daughter Single F 1 1910 Durham Sunderland
SMITH, Mary Servant Single F 18 1893 General Domestic Servant Durham Sunderland
***RENNIE, Charles Boarder Married M 44 1867 Colliery Labourer Above Ground Durham Sunderland

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30217 Reference:
RG14PN30217 RG78PN1742 RD555 SD3 ED5 SN285

Registration District:
Sunderland Sub District:
Sunderland North Enumeration District:
5 Parish:
Sunderland

Address:
15 Roseberry St Sunderland County:
Durham

1901 England Census
Name: Mary E Lawson
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Monkwearmouth Venerable Bede
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monkwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 188
Household Members: Name Age
Mary E Lawson 32
William Lawson 15
John R Lawson 11
Annie Lawson 9
Henrietta R Lawson 4
Charles B R Lawson 2
Fredk R Lawson 7 months
Robert Holmes 20
William Holmes 38




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4722; Folio: 20; Page: 32.



Mary states she is married.

Guess this is Mary 1901 - Ettey must be Henrietta:

1901 England Census

Name: Mary E Lawson
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: Monkwearmouth Venerable Bede
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monkwearmouth

Mary E Lawson 32
William Lawson 15
John R Lawson 11
Annie Lawson 9
Henrietta R Lawson 4
Charles B R Lawson 2
Fredk R Lawson 7 months
Robert Holmes 20
William Holmes 38

1891 England Census

Name: John Lawson
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Singleton, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Aighton Bailey and Chaigley
Ecclesiastical parish: Hurst Green
Town: Aighton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Clitheroe
Sub-registration district: Chipping

John Lawson 45
Mary Lawson 41
Ellen Elizabeth Lawson 22
Margaret Lawson 20
John Lawson 17
Thomas Lawson 11
James Lawson 9
Mary Emma Lawson 7
Alice Jane Lawson 5
Frederick Noah Lawson 3
Edith Annie Lawson 3/12

Think this is them in 1891 -


1891 England Census
Name: Mary Lawson
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Jno
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle

Civil parish: Monkwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Columba
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monk Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jno Lawson 27 (born Sunderland)
Mary Lawson 22
Wm Lawson 5
Jno Robt Lawson 1




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4147; Folio 68; Page 5; GSU roll: 6099257.

UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 about Charles Rennie
Name: Charles Rennie
Birth Place: Durham
Residence: Sunderland, Durham
Death Date: 4 Jul 1916
Enlistment Location: Sunderland, Durham
Rank: Private
Regiment: King's Own Scottish Borderers
Battalion: 6th Battalion.
Number: 21744
Type of Casualty: Died of wounds
Theatre of War: Aldershot

Thank you all for your help.
I have all this info - what I am really looking for is one of the people in the list or their offspring to get in touch as I don't know anything about the ancestors personally as I say I have only found them in the past year or so.

Again thanks to all who have replied.

Lynn

IF the family stayed at Sunderland, there were these possible marriages.

You would have to buy the certificates to be 100% sure.

"Bella" was Isabella b. Q3 1903
England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Isabella Rennie
Name: Isabella Rennie
Spouse Surname: Bewick .......... James
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1921
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1283

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Mary E Rennie
Name: Mary E Rennie
Spouse Surname: Balcombe ....................... John R.
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1937
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1158

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Ellen R Rennie
Name: Ellen R Rennie
Spouse Surname: Green ........................ Charles
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1931
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1377

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Thomasina Rennie
Name: Thomasina Rennie
Spouse Surname: Rice ......................... John
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1931
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1377

free bmd shows a Robert Rennie b. Q4, 1911, Sunderland, with mother 'Holmes,
also a Walter b.Q2 1913, but in Oxford ???

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005 about Robert Rennie
Name: Robert Rennie
Spouse Surname: Hood .................. Jane E.
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1936
Registration district: Sunderland
Registration county (inferred): Durham
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 865

I will have a look to see if I can find any possible children from these marriages, but will send the info via pm as these people may still be living

Possible deaths... ??

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Mary E Balcombe
Name: Mary E Balcombe
Death Registration Month/Year: 1949
Age at death (estimated): 44 .......................... = b. 1905
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 775

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Ellen Green
Name: Ellen Green
Birth Date: 24 Dec 1907
Death Registration Month/Year: 1974
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Northumberland, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 2
Page: 1851

??
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Thomasina Rice
Name: Thomasina Rice
Birth Date: Sep 1910
Death Registration Month/Year: 1973
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Northumberland
Volume: 1a
Page: 2313

????
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about John William D Rice
Name: John William D Rice
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1991
Age at death (estimated): 84
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 2
Page: 1588

Anyone still researching this family? Interested in Isabella Bewick nee Rennie.

There were two Bewick/Rennie births in Sunderland, 1922 (Joseph J R) and 1926 (Frederick R ).

A Joseph JR Bewick married in 1942 in Sunderland.
Two children born in Sunderland, 1945 and 1948.

Frederick may have been living in Sunderland in 2014, per Electoral Roll.
Middle name is his mms.

Mention of him here:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/04696986/officers

Thanks. I am looking for family members of Isabella. She was born Sunderland 1903 and had 3 sisters and one brother mentioned earlier in this link. She went on to marry James Bewick born 1900 in 1921. I believe she had two children but yet to confirm. Belief is that these are Joseph John Bewick born 1922 and Frederick Rennie Bewick born 1926.

I believe Joseph emigrated to Canada in 1957 and Frederick lived in Sunderland. However I cannot find details of any children of Frederick although an obituary states he had children.

Dont want to go too far along the line until I actuall establish they are brothers and the children of Isabella. Still researching.

Thanks for help so far.

John

You'll have to buy the birth certs to establish if they are the children of the right parents.

You'll find the reference details on FreeBMD. I didn't post them here in case these people are still alive.

The birth years, birth places, and middle names of Joseph and Frederick would make it 99.9% certain that they are the right ones, to my mind.

There is a 1951 marriage in Sunderland, of a Frederick R Bewick to a Margaret R Webster - again see FreeBMD.

There is also the birth of a Bewick child with mms Webster, in Sunderland in 1957.

Argylgran,
Much appreciated. Birth certs ordered yesterday so should get some clarity from that but as you say 99.9% chance are one and the same.

Although common names all the info leads to conclusion they are the children of Isabella and James. Sadly both died within a few months of each other in 2013. Eldest in Canada and Fred in Sunderland.

Details re Margaret Webster will help a great deal and a child born in 57 would be great as a good chance of still being alive.

Thanks again.
John

You'll need the 1951 marriage cert to be sure that the groom is the right Frederick, and to find out Margaret Webster's age and father's name, for further research into her.

A Margaret R Webster (mms Curtis) was born in Sunderland in 1931, who is quite likely to be the correct person.

There was a Webster/Curtis marriage in Sunderland in 1916.

Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%)
Curtis Mary A S Webster Sunderland 10a 993
Webster John Curtis Sunderland 10a 993

This is that couple in 1939:

Mary Webster
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Mary Webster
[A. S Webster]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 2 Jun 1897
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 38,
Residence Place: Sunderland, Durham, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 275
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: FDBD
Registration district: 5551
Inferred Spouse: John Webster
Household Members:
Name
John Webster
Mary Webster [ the middle initials A S have been added officially later]

There are three closed records with them.


There were 8 Webster/Curtis births in Sunderland between 1916 and 1939, one of which is Margaret.
I can't say if they are all children of the same couple or not - but there's no other Webster/Curtis marriage in Co Durham in a reasonable timeframe, so I expect they are.

Of those 8 children - Charles died in infancy:

Charles R Webster
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles R Webster
Registration Date: Oct 1921
[Nov 1921]
[Dec 1921]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Tyne & Wear
Mother's Maiden Name: Curtis
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1340


Charles R Webster
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Charles R Webster
Death Age: 1
Birth Date: abt 1921
Registration Date: Oct 1922
[Nov 1922]
[Dec 1922]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 587