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Looking for birth, death and parents names of John Park b1791


1841 Census
Name: John Park
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Hoddam
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Broad Meadow
Occupation: Mason
Parish Number: 829

Living with His wife:-
Janet Park nee Jackson
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1791

Jane Park
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Occupation: Mason Wife
Name: Edward Carlyle
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Name: Jessie Iwan
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1822
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Occupation: Teacher

Name: Ann Bell
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Occupation: F S

Name: Samuel Bell
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Occupation: Mason Ap

I have a marriage cert. for his son John Park jnr. occ. baker b. 1829 he married Elizabeth Hay at Eskdalmuir 8/6/1858. On this he is deceased.

1851 census his wife is at same address but not him so think his death must be between 1841 & 1851. I have searched on SP for birth and death but to no avail.

Thanks Chris

Civil registration didn't start in Scotland until 1855.

Have you looked on the IGI?

Yes looked on IGI and OPR on SP, nothing.

You can try here.



http://beta.familysearch.org/

Sorry for the delay in replying but been ofline for a few days. thanks for that will try the link.

Chris

Help FBG this query is turning into a right mixup. think John park may have been bap david, here's waht I have found tell me what you think.
The only marriage I can find for Janet Jackson at the correct time is to a David park 23/2/1827-Langholm, dumfrieshire. It says David Park Mason of this parish (mason being the key word).

Then searched on beta for a birth for a David Park.
David Park b1789 Kirkpatrick-Fleming Dumfries.
Father William Mother Jannet Carlyle.

Now going back to the 1841 census there is a Edward Carlyle on it.
What do you think, could this be my John park alias David?

Oh dear.
Now you are asking something.

Let me start at the marriage you have of for his son John Park jnr. occ. baker b. 1829 he married Elizabeth Hay at Eskdalmuir 8/6/1858

You are certain that this is correct for your family?yes?
Only asking.........
If so I will get it up on SP and send the bill to C..:)(Joke of course as she would tell me where to get off.

I can not see what you are doing of course so its difficult to know .
But if I can track back from John and Elizabeth it might make sense to me.

Yes certain I have the marriage cert, on this it gives John's father as John Park - Mason - Deceased Mother Janet Jackson.
Found them on 1841 census Info on first page of this thread.
Does this help you get your head round it?

Chris

Yes thank you.

I will have to look later though,sorry.
HE wants me to do something for a friend.Put together a flatpack TV stand.
HE is useless at that sort of thing,so I do most of the DIY in this joint..
Then he will take it back,so I will have quiet then...

Does the image of the 1841 actually say that Janet is Nee Jackson? There is no mention of that on the Ancestry transcription.

Also, if I was looking at that census I would assume that Jane was John's wife. Who is written underneath John on the image?

Is this who you think is John's wife Janet in 1851 (the only Parks living in Broadmeadow)? If so, I would think she was Nee Byers not Jackson:

1851 Scotland Census
about Jannet Park
Name: Jannet Park
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1784
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Westerkirk, Dumfriesshire
Parish Number: 829
Civil parish: Hoddom
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Broadmeadow
ED: 1
Page: 21 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 91
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1851_207
Household Members: Name Age
William Byers 68 - Head
***Jannet Park 67 - Sister
Elizebeth Armstrong 70 - Sister
Jannet Park 26

No it doesn't say Janet Nee Jackson I got the image from ancestory but on mine Janet is written underneath john then Jane, also jane is only 25 yrs so I assumed janet was johns wife.

Now the 1851 one you do have a point with Janet being nee byers but with the address being the same I thought they could have different fathers.

Just had a look on SP at original 1841 census and masons wife at the side if Jane park has been crossed out, so I think this is an incorrect. I thimk she is the daughter of John & Janet Park.

Says 40 mins to put together the flat pack on the box..Huh.what they think I am?A pro at it.?

1861

Name: John Park
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Park
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

1851

Name: John Park
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1830
Relationship: Jalomey Man<<journey man?
Gender: Male
Where born: Hoddam, Dumfries
Parish Number: 829
Civil parish: Hoddom
Town: Ecclefechan
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ecclefechan
Occupation: Baker Journey Man
Household Members:
Name Age
James Park 58
Elisabeth Park 45
Mary Park 20
Frank Park 18
Elisabeth Park 12
John Park 11
Margaret Park 9
Jane Park 7
Robert Park 4
Isabella Park 1
William Rome 20
John Park 21


1841

Name: John Park
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Civil parish: Hoddam
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ealfn Village
Occupation: Baker Ap
Household Members:
Name Age
James Park 45
Elizabeth Park 35
Mary Park 11
Francis Park 9
Elizabeth Park 2
John Park 1
James Martin 18
John Park 14
Ellen Syme 11


Yes I know you have these census,I am putting them here for ref.

I saw that!! On yer bike you 2. Cx :))

Saw what Cyn you've lost me!!

Oh do keep up ach!! Fans ref to Scotland's People further back!! :))

1851
Name: James Park
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1793
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name: Elisabeth Park
Gender: Male
Where born: Half Morton, Dumfries
Parish Number: 829
Civil parish: Hoddom
Town: Ecclefechan
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Ecclefechan
Occupation: Baker Master Employ 2 Man
ED: 5
Page: 22 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 91
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1851_207
Household Members: Name Age
James Park 58
Elisabeth Park 45
Mary Park 20
Frank Park 18
Elisabeth Park 12
John Park 11
Margaret Park 9
Jane Park 7
Robert Park 4
Isabella Park 1
William Rome 20
John Park 21 -c 1830 Hoddam-Baker


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection

Bit slow sometimes cyn , well all time!!

1. MARY PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JUN 1830 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland
2. EIZABETH PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 JUL 1838 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland
3. ISABELLA JANET PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JAN 1850 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland
5. JANE PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 10 MAY 1849 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland
7. MARGARET PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 FEB 1842 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland
9. ELISABETH PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 JUL 1839 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland
10. JANNET PARK - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JUL 1826 Hoddam, Dumfries, Scotland

Parents-James Park and Elizabeth Calvert