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Trying to find Clifford Mortimer

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Allan

Allan Report 10 Feb 2011 21:13

Janey, I received this email yesterday:


Dear Mr. Mortimer,
I am happy to be able to tell you that my book about the history of Toronto's Stanley Barracks has just been published, and it includes both of the drawings that you so kindly allowed me to use. I was very excited to have been able to include these two illustrations! Thank you again!

I would like to send you a complimentary copy of the book. If you could please provide me with your mailing address, I will send it off to you immediately.

Sincerely


You never know, with a wider audience some one may know the provenance of the sketchbook and put me on the track of Clifford.

Regards

Allan

Allan

Allan Report 10 Jun 2010 00:37

Thanks, Janey, I'll c&p it for later perusal

Regards

Allan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 10 Jun 2010 00:30

Ooooh, do I have a wild theory for you.

Oh, alright, I won't deceive you. It fell flat. But it was fun!


1891

Name: Clifford W Crawford (it's actually "H") (and I eventually found it was Crauford)
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Registration district: Kensington

Clifford W Crawford 31
Elizabeth Crawford 26
Clifford A Crawford 8 - born Kensington


You wanna know what his occupation was?

Explorer (East Africa Co.)


1 Mar 2011
Just getting around to deleting all the rest of the bumph about this fellow, whom I ruled out, but will leave that bit to remind that he was ruled out.

Allan

Allan Report 9 Jun 2010 22:55

And for me also, Janey.

I'm just glad that the sketches will now not be consigned to the bin after I shufle off this mortal coil. Not that I intend doing that any time soon!

I have sent copies of all my email correspondence with Ron Ridley, and now with Dr Sendzikas, to my nephew in Perth and also to my daughter so that they are aware of the significance of the pads.

regards

Allan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 9 Jun 2010 22:42

I tell just everybody about "our" little historical find. ;)

I did forget to tell my brother at my mum's birthday two weeks ago though -- he lives on the St Lawrence not far from Fort Henry, but is a Toronto boy at heart, and has a fine arts degree, and collects antique prints and is a renovator and appreciator of architecture, so he would be interested too. Unfortunately -- now that even my mum is on line -- he's the only one who doesn't know how to use a computer. So I'll have to actually tell him about it in person next time.

And thank you again for generously keeping on with this and giving the permissions! This has been almost as good as actually finding old Mr Mortimer. For us over here, anyhow. ;)

Allan

Allan Report 9 Jun 2010 22:35

Janey,

no new leads although I am still following the Carfraes.

However, I just thought that I would let you know that another one of the Canadian sketches has been found to be of historical value.

I have received an email from Dr Aldona Sendzikas who is an Associate Professor in the Dept of History at the University of Western Ontario.

Dr Sedzikas is writing a history of the Stanley Barracks. These were apparently constructed in 1840-41 to replace the old Fort York. The "new" fort was renamed Stanley Barracks in 1893.

It seems that there are very few sketches of the fort in the early years and the sketch I have titled "Barracks, 29th July 1848" is one of the earliest that Dr Sendzikas has seen.

Dr Sendzikas found out about the existence of the sketch via Ron Ridley, who also gave her my email address

Dr Sendzikas wishes to include the sketch in her forthcoming book, to be published next year.

I have given her permission to include the sketch.

Regards

Allan

Allan

Allan Report 12 Nov 2009 06:46

Janey,

I'm sorry not to reply immediately but given the time difference between us and the fact that I am now working part-time until the end of this month, it makes 'instant' replies impossible.

I will check out the posible Carfrae connection.

With respect to the sketches, I am pleased that these will help a little with the history of Toronto.

What a total waste if they should have been just discarded at this end if no one saw the connection

Kind Regards

Allan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 12 Nov 2009 00:10

I wonder whether it might possibly have been John Carfrae's father Alexander who did the sketches.


1851 census

Name: Alexr Carfrae
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Soldier Inmate (Soldier)
Where born: Scotland
Condition as to marriage: married
Occupation: Private, 79th Regiment Army

Civil parish: Berwick Upon Tweed
Town: Berwick Upon Tweed
County/Island: Northumberland

ED, institution, or vessel: Barracks and Garrison Hospital of Berwick upon Tweed


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/UK-79TH-REGIMENT/2005-02/1108585089

The 79th Regt was in Montreal 1825-1835; Montreal is a couple of hours (today!) from Kingston / Fort Henry.

Or Alexander's father, more likely.


Google

"In May, 1833, the regiment was removed from Toronto to Quebec"

and you'll get a book called "Historical records of the 79th Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders", which appears to be the thing.


A conceivable candidate for Alexander's father in 1841:

Name: William Carfraes
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Where born: Midlothian, Scotland

Civil parish: Edinburgh High Church
County: Midlothian
Address: 357 High Street Advocates Close
>> Occupation: Printer I

William Carfraes 34
Alison Carfrae 30
Alexander Carfrae 14
Thomas Carfrae 12
Mary Carfrae 6

Allan

Allan Report 11 Nov 2009 23:25

Janey,

Thanks for that.

Once I had a name I googled and it brought up the Architect J A Carfrae.

The 1868 birth is a bit out of wack with the dates of the sketches which were all done in the 1844-1850 period, although of course they could still be related.

I'm still trying to figure out how this could relate to Clifford born circa 1860. In the 1911 census, Clifford's place of birth is given as London


Hopefully it is at least a lead

Kind regards

Allan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Nov 2009 22:32

http://www.scottisharchitects.org.uk/architect_full.php?id=200307

John Alexander Carfrae, bio


This is the architect John Alexander Carfrae in 1901 and 1881:


1901 Scotland Census

Name: John Alexr Carfrae
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Head
Where born: Edinburgh

County: Midlothian
Address: No 9 Hope Park Ter
Occupation: Architect

John Alexr Carfrae 33
Maggie Dickson 40 - stepsister, governess
Lillias Cath Margt Dalgleish 18 - cousin, housekeeper


1881 Scotland census

Name: John A Carfrae
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relationship: Son
Mother's Name: Catherine
Where born: St Cuthberts, Edinburgh

Civil parish: Edinburgh St Giles
County: Midlothian
Address: 81 Clerk Street

Catherine Carfrae 47
Maggie Dickson 20
John A Carfrae 13


That seems to be the name in the book, or at least what you surmised earlier.


In 1871, his name is spelled Carfray, and his father Alexander is in the household. Ancestry has cleverly transcribed the parents' surname as Carpel. Unfortunately the image can't be viewed. Father Alexander's occupaton is engraver. Margaret Dickson appears to be Catherine's daughter; Ancestry has transcribed her as granddaughter, but I expect it should be stepdaughter.


Certainly an interesting sidelight!

Allan

Allan Report 11 Nov 2009 21:34

Thanks, Janey,

I have now sent the other images of to Ron plus I have found a name in the book, J A (or G) Carfrae with an address 49 Essex Street. No location given for the Street.

The name means nothing to me at the moment but it is another avenue if my G/F was aopted

I just wanted to let you know about the sketches as a way of thanking you for all your help

Regards

Allan

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 11 Nov 2009 14:44

That is just terrific!

So let me take this opportunity to thank you (on an appropriate day), from all Canadians, for your contribution to our historical record!

I know it hasn't got you anywhere yet -- but hey, was I right or was I right? I said I thought he'd be interested in your cache of historical objects. ;) I didn't know *how* interested, of course!

Really, that's tremendous, and I do thank you.

Hopefully, as you follow up, something more will come out of it for you too. ;)

Allan

Allan Report 11 Nov 2009 09:16

JaneyCanuck

This is the response received today from Ron Ridley.

I had been trying to get the sketches to him in a format that would be able to be enlarged

Dear Allan,

My apologies for not being able to get back to you sooner. I have been assigned addtional duties regarding a visitor centre and my priorities have been re-arranged to meet rather tight deadlines.

Thank you for sending the recent j-peg image of the Fort from Cedar Island. I was able to open the sketch of Fort Henry quite easily and it is much clearer and of a much higher resolution that the PDF versions that you sent earlier. The Jpeg format has a compression effect built into it, which is why it is used so much on the web. I am by no means an expert in this. The last image that you sent is great. I cropped it down to the size of the sketchbook page and that also reduces the size of the image by almost half. The resulting image shows quite a bit more detail than the initial one.

We have been trying to determine the form of the flagpole, which from your last, higher resolution image, we can now see that is also being used as a signal mast. We suspected this for some time, but this is the first confirmation of this use. Surprisingly, there are not many images of Fort Henry that show this much detail and this drawing is very useful to us because it opens up the whole new dimension of signal communications during that period.

I have also shown the images of Toronto that you sent previously to my colleagues in that city and they are also quite interested as this is also a fairly sparse period of images for them as well. We are all quite intrigued to determine who the artist was. We are all fairly convinced that the individual had some training in drawing, as the skill level is quite high. If you recall any family references to someone in the military, it may be of help. You mentioned that the sketchbook contains previous sketches of Scotland. Are there many and are any of them of military subjects? Would it be possible for you to send the other sketches of Toronto in the format that you sent the last Fort Henry image?

Would you be willing to grant use of the images to Fort Henry National Historic Site? We would very much appreciate it as it, as an image such as this adds so much to our understanding of the site. With your permission, I would like to forward your contact information to my Toronto contacts, who would also be interested in speaking to you directly in the same regard.

Again, I would like to thank you for letting us know about the sketches. It is always causes such a buzz among historians when a new image comes to light.

I have taken a couple of photographs of Cedar Island from the Fort, but am dealing with my own lack of technical skills. I hope to be able to download it soon from my camera and promise to send you off a couple of shots to show you how the island looks today and where the sketch was drawn from.

(Note that I will be away from my computer for tomorrow, Remembrance Day, and tied up in the interminable meetings for a day or so after. My apologies.)

Regards,

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 22 Sep 2009 23:58

That's great! He sounds interested, so maybe he'll come up with something.

Allan

Allan Report 22 Sep 2009 23:18

JaneyCanuck,

I have now had a response from Ron Ridley and have received a list of Army Units which served at Fort Henry at the relevant time. He has also asked me to rescan the sketches in a different format to see if the details can be enhanced.

Many thanks for you help

Regards

Allan

Allan

Allan Report 11 Sep 2009 00:24

Nudging for SueMaid

Regards

Allan

Allan

Allan Report 21 Jul 2009 02:59

JaneyCanuck,

Have sent a copy of the sketch to Ron Ridley.

Many thanks for the contact address

Regards

Allan

Allan

Allan Report 16 Jul 2009 02:07

Once again, my thanks

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 16 Jul 2009 01:23

I shall not give up. ;)


http://calvinpark.limestone.on.ca/projects/canadiancommunities/attractions/museums/martello.html

The Martello Towers - Murney, Fort Fredrick, Shoal, and Cathcart - were built to help Fort Henry protect Kingston from American attack.
The Towers were never used in battle, but they were used as barracks for soldiers stationed in Kingston.

When Were they Built?

Although construction of all of the Towers began in 1846, some were not totally completed until 21 years later in 1867. The Murney Tower was completed first, requiring only a brief four months of construction. The towers were not considered finished until they were fully equipped and armed with cannons.



Cedar Island is the location of Cathcart Tower. As I pasted in your other thread:

Cedar Island, located just off the shore from historic Fort Henry, is the site of Cathcart Martello Tower, one of four such towers built in the 1840s to protect Kingston's harbour and the entrance to the Rideau Canal. Their construction was prompted by a dispute between Great Britain and the United States over the boundary between British Columbia and Oregon that threatened to lead to war and to the invasion of Canada.. When war was averted, Cathcart Tower was used for a time as a barracks for soldiers garrisoned at nearby Fort Henry.

(I make the connection now with Murney tower, the Martello tower I toured in Kingston a couple of summers ago. The cannonballs are still there. I love that stuff.)


I can't imagine that anyone not associated with the military would have been on Cedar Island -- the location of a fortified construction built in anticipation of a cross-border war -- circa 1850. It was a military barracks for the British military -- remember that Canada did not achieve complete self-government until 1867, and some Brit troops even hung around a while after that. The military defending "Canada" (in its various bits) before 1867 was entirely British -- many of the actual troops being Irish, notably.

I would bet much money that the painter of the works you have was in the military. Not necessarily a "military artist" -- many men in the British military engaged in watercolour painting as a hobby, my grandfather among them. (Unfortunately for my family, my wicked aunt has what remain of his pre-WWI works.)

I would get in touch with Fort Henry directly to ask what regiment was garrisoned there and whether there is any info extant about individuals.

This is the general contact page:

http://www.parks.on.ca/fort/contact.php

and I would start by asking where to direct this kind of historical inquiry.


Aha. The present Curator is named Ron Ridley and his contact info is here:

http://www.museumsontario.com/museums/onlineguide/details.aspx?ContactID=708

He seems quite passionate about the job and I imagine he would be very pleased to hear from you.




Allan

Allan Report 16 Jul 2009 01:10

Thanks JaneyCanuck,

You were clear, it was me that didn't put it clearly: I certainly dont expect it to be the same person, but I had no idea how to proceed with trying to identify the artist, if indeed he/she can be identified.

It's going to be one of those days!!!

Just went to use my printer/scanner and the bl**dy thing is dead

Once again Janey, thanks for your help, and for the various addys. I am off to buy a new printer

Regards

Allan