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Hi all,
My GGM's twin seems to have disappeared after the 1911 census and I wondered if there was a way of checking if the family emigrated and if so what happened to them. The details I have are:
Margaret Mawson (born Eskdale 1870) married Robert Brocklebank (born Dalton 1869) in Dalton 1890. Margaret last found on 1911 census in Lindale (but not a widow), both were on 1901 census in Millom.
If they emigrated, it could have been with some of their younger children: Mary Eleanor (1891), Annie (1894), Benjamin (1899) & Robert Birkett (1902).
I can't find deaths for either of the parents on free bmd or up to 1956 bmd indices, but may have missed them.
Any help greatly appreciated.

Thanks to Astra, I now know they arrived Quebec 12/10/1911. Does anyone know of free bmd searches or what are the best subscription sites to use please?

Travelling with Annie, Robert and Mary to join her husband

Margaret Brocklebank
Gender: Female
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Date of Arrival: 12 Oct 1911
Vessel: Empress of Ireland
Search Ship Database: View the 'Empress of Ireland' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4782

Thats great, thanks Astra, I thought they must have emigrated when I couldn't find any deaths. Do you know if there is a free website on Canada bmd so I can check what happened to them after this please?

Someone from Canada may be able to help you with that. I know the latest census in Canada is the 1911 as they have a much more stringent privacy policy than we do.

With Astra's info, you can get their passenger list images at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php
You want images 10 & 11 of 51 - shows they're heading for Haileybury in N Ont. It's abt 150 km N of North Bay, 2/3 of way to Kirkland Lake. and just inside the ON-QC border.
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Ontario has collected vital statistics (birth, marriage and death) for well over two centuries. Records at the Archives include certificates for marriages from around 1802 to 1927, births from 1869 to 1912 and deaths from 1869 to 1937.
http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/family-history/the-records.aspx

I think they're a year or two behind getting things up, but after that BMDs are closed - well, tachnically, deaths aren't closed - but there's no index published for them and it costs $15 to search a 5 year period.

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Many thanks for these useful websites, especially the one with passenger lists.
It looks like another son also went to Canada in 1913, and his wife in 1914 so I can now check them out. Actually found the daughter Mary getting married 1/6/1922 in Cobalt (googled her name!), so the areas tie up.
Not sure about the D Brocklebank, is that a recent entry?

Re D Brocklebank - probably it's a current listing (or close)
NB 411 is the N American phone # for directory assistance.

Hi, Astra thanks for the look-ups.

I have a few other family members moving around, can you suggest a site to use for the passenger searches please & I'll get a subscription? There seem to be a few around, but I need dates to access the Canada collections as there were so many sailings each year.

Thanks
Julie

20290-1922 John Charles DEAN, 39, Clerk, Osceola, Cobalt, s/o Richard DEAN (b. Haley Ont) & Mary Elizabeth GRAHAM, married Mary Eleanor BROCKLEBANK, 30, Nurse, England, Cobalt, d/o Robert BROCKLEBANK (b. Dalton in Furness England) & Margaret MAWSON, Wtn. Mrs. Ada BROCKLEBANK of Cobalt, Thomas EDWARDS of Haileybury, on June 1, 1922 at Cobalt.

From this site:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/index.htm

Thanks Margaret, that's the one I found - the witness Ada Brocklebank was married in England to Arthur Brocklebank (Mary Eleanor's brother) in 1912, and I'm pretty sure they went to Canada sometime after their marriage.

The other sister Annie Brocklebank must have returned to England because I've found her marriage to Frank Pearson in 1914. They had 2 children in England, Ivy (1914) and Edna M (1916), but I think they all went to Canada sometime after this, probably around 1920.

I've tried googling all the names but the only hit I came up with was Mary Eleanor's. I need to get a sub. for a site to search emigration records, but I'll check all the names on the site you suggest, thanks.

Astra used Ancestry, but it's not cheap. You can do free searches on Ancestry which will cut down on your trawling, but LAC only have images thru 1922 online.

Lets look at the immig of Margaret b 1871+/-5. There's only one hit and you see:

View Record Name Estimated birth year Birth Country Date of Arrival Vessel Port of Arrival Port of Departure View Images
View Record Margaret Brocklebank year date vessel Quebec location

Now you can repeatedly search for this and find yob=1871, the voyage was 1911, and the trip was Liverpool-Quebec
(There's only a few popular UK ports - Liverpool, Glasgow, Southampton is pretty much it).

Now I can enter this at:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/001045-100.01-e.php
and I get a list of 97 trips by 19 different ships. I can go back to Ancestry and try the vessels one by one until I get the Empress of Ireland (actually, entering *ian, *tic, lak*, emp* covers 13 ships, and I just have to expand the last to Empress of Britain or Empress of Ireland to find the ship.)
But now I'm looking at 8 voyages, so maybe 400 images, and I see no way to cut that down.

A little more on Margaret who arrived on the Empress of Ireland, 12 Oct. 1911. She was 40, going to join husband, a miner in Haileybury, Ontario, She had with her Mary, 20, milliner, Annie, 18 and Robert, 7.

Robert, 51, miner and Margaret, crossed the border at Buffalo, NY, Aug. 1922. Their last permanent address was Cobalt, Ontario, closest relative son Arthur, Cobalt. I can't make out their destination, though.

Another border crossing 10 Jan. 1922 at Buffalo, NY.
Robert Brocklebank, 50, miner, Cobalt, Canada. Son Arthur, Cobalt. Going to Anthony, Florida (that's the same name that I couldn't make out on the other border crossing.) Going to join William McKee, Anthony, Florida. Says he originally landed in Quebec May 1901 aboard the "Perisisa"?
Also 10 July 1922:
Margaret Brocklebank, 51, Cobalt, Ontario. Daughter Mary, Cobalt. Going to William McKie, Anthony, Florida. Health: General debility due to menopause? (I think that's what it says!

Hi guys, don't know where you get all this, but it is the family I'm after.

I'm surprised Mary Eleanor travelled to Florida so soon after her marriage (no husband?).

Arthur was Margaret & Robert's eldest son, married to Ada (nee Atkinson), but I can't find either of their transits to Canada, despite the fact Ada was a witness at Mary Eleanor's wedding. Not sure who Wiliam McKie is, he doesn't feature in any of their family backgrond.

Annie Brocklebank returned to England, married and went back to Canada
with 2 children. I tried to search as suggested by mgnv, even got down to date & ship but the record was illegible!

Julie

Sorry, Julia, I didn't write that very clearly. Mary didn't go to Florida with her mother, her name was the name of the nearest relative in Canada. I wondered why Margaret named Mary while Robert named son Arthur.
If you'd like me to forward the originals of those border crossings I'd be happy to do so. Just click on my name and send me your email address.

Border crossing back to Canada, June 1928, to son Arthur, Cobalt, Ont. been staying with, says brother Burkett Brocklebank, born Barrow in Furness England.
He says to have been in Canada from May 1902 to April 1926, and he is down as W (widower).

Chris :)

This gets more confusing by the minute!

Robert Birkett Brocklebank (born Millom (near Barrow in furness) 1902. arrived with mother on the Empress of Ireland on 12/10/11. I haven't found anthing further on him since then.

Maybe he moved south, and then did'nt record details correctly? Did the crossing info say where they were staying or came from please?

no Julie, just says brother Burkett Brocklebank was the last relative he stayed with in US.

(can send on image like Margaret, if you pm e mail addy!)

Chris :)