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Rosie
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3 Nov 2010 21:02 |
Please can someone help me find my grt grt grandfather JAMES HENRY FREDERICK LEWIS.
All I know about him is that he was a solicitor and married to MAHALA and they had 2 children - HENRY FREDERICK WILLIAM b 1841 in Soho and EMILY ROWENA b1849 in Westminster,Middlesex- my grt grandmother.
I can only guess at his date of birth which I have put at about 1801- 1815 - I have found him in 1848,1851 and 1856 in the PO Directories where he is a solicitor living at 28 Essex Street, Strand, London,
The only marriage I can find which seems to be the right James is in October quarter of 1845 in Strand,Midsx but doesn' t tie in with the birth of Henry in 1841 - but its possible.
I cant find James in any census ,birth or death records. In 1841 Mahala is married and with 2 month old Henry but no James. In 1851 Mahala is married with 2 children Henry and Emily - no James.
In 1861 Mahala is a widow living in Brighton with Emily I have Mahala in 1871,81, 91 and 1901 and death in 1903
I have looked and looked and found no trace of James at all except the 3 PO entries.He must have died between 1856 and 1861 - but where is he when married.????
On some of the census records with Mahala there are others who could be related - Mary Ann Collins,Julia Hanniford, JF Lewis.
I really need some more eyes to look for him - I'm well and truly stumped. Help very much appreciated please.
Thanks alot
Rosie
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Gee
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3 Nov 2010 21:18 |
1861 England Census about James H F Lewis Name: James H F Lewis <<<Solicitor Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Lewis Gender: Male Where born: Worcester, Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Westminster St Clement Danes County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 55 Household Members: Name Age James H F Lewis 50 Elizabeth Lewis 47 Henry C Lewis 15 Edgar N W Lewis 13 Florence E Lewis 9 Eleanor R Lewis 6 Herbert M Lewis 4 Mary A Fowler 19
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MarieCeleste
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3 Nov 2010 21:18 |
Hello Rosie, there seems to be some conflicting info.
The marriage you have attached to your tree on Ancestry is this:
Name: James Henry Frederic Lewis Year of Registration: 1845 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Strand (1837-1913) County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1 Page: 377
The people listed on the page are:
Thomas Bodkin 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex Eliza Lucy Buckland 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex Eliza Haddon 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex George Henry Clarke Hall 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex Martin Williiam Kirck 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex James Henry Frederic Lewis 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex Sarah Elizabeth Lloyd 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex Elizabeth Maddison 1845 Strand (1837-1913) London, Middlesex
None of the brides on that page are called Mahala. I don't know if Mahala is a nickname for one of the ladies?
Edit: based on the census Ginny has posted, it looks a possible that the bride of the James Henry Frederick on the marriage record you found was actually Elizabeth Maddison.
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3 Nov 2010 21:20 |
JAMES HENRY FREDERICK LEWIS -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 27 AUG 1810 St Martins, Birmingham, Warwick, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: JAMES HENRY FRESERICK Mother: HANNAH LEWIS
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Gee
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3 Nov 2010 21:22 |
And here he seems to be in 1871
1871 England Census about Edgar N W Lewis Name: Edgar N W Lewis Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1848 Relation: Son Father's name: James H F Lewis <<Solicitor Mother's name: Elizabeth Lewis Gender: Male Where born: Westminster, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Fulham Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Kensington Sub-registration district: Fulham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 165 Household Members: Name Age James H F Lewis 60 Elizabeth Lewis 58 Henry C Lewis 25 Edgar N W Lewis 23 Florence E Lewis 19 Elenor R Lewis 16 Herbert M Lewis 14
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Rosie
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3 Nov 2010 21:24 |
I did find the marriage in 1845 but I'm getting really confused. Maybe Mahala is a middle or as you suggest a nick name but she is definately on all records as being Mahala.Would the Elizabeth Maddison be the right person do you think? Emily Rowena is definately the daughter of J H F Lewis - I have the original- albeit tatty -marriage certificate for Emily where he appears
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Andrew
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3 Nov 2010 21:26 |
For info
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emily Rensena Lewis Name: Emily Rensena Lewis [Emily Rowena Lewis] Spouse Name: William Edward Balt Spouse Age: Full Age Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1873 Parish: St Mary, Hanwell County: Middlesex Borough: Ealing Father Name: James Henry Frederick Lewis Spouse Father Name: Edward Balt
James is a solicitor, but not stated deceased.
One of the woitnesses ilooks like James F W Lewis, and there is a birth in 1841 to match??
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1841 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lewis Henry Frederick William Strand 1 342
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Rosie
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3 Nov 2010 21:31 |
Got the original Andy which is just as well as on record Emily Rowena and William Edward have been muddled up with the other couple on the page.
It's a puzzle
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MarieCeleste
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3 Nov 2010 21:31 |
Rosie, I think Mahala is someone completely different to Elizabeth Maddison as shown in the census records Ginny has posted.
This is the 1871 that you referred to:
LEWIS, Mahala Head F 57 1814 Sussex LEWIS, Emily R Daughter F 25 1846 London Registration District: Kensington Sub District: St Paul Hammersmith Enumeration District: 23 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Hammersmith Municipal Borough:
Address: Gane Place, Hammersmith County: London, Middlesex
Where did you get the information that James Henry Frederick was Emily Rowena's father?
It might be an idea if we work back from any definite facts you have on e.g. grandparents.
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3 Nov 2010 21:33 |
1851 England Census about Jas Hy F Lewis Name: Jas Hy F Lewis Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizth Lewis Gender: Male Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: St Clement Danes County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Jas Hy F Lewis 40 Elizth Lewis 37 Hy C Lewis 4 Edgar N W Lewis 3 Mary Ann Davis 25 Mary Ann Searle 16
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Gee
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3 Nov 2010 21:34 |
Im not sure if I have the correct James!
1851 England Census about Jas Hy F Lewis Name: Jas Hy F Lewis Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizth Lewis Gender: Male Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: St Clement Danes County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes ED, institution, or vessel: 1a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Jas Hy F Lewis 40 Elizth Lewis 37 Hy C Lewis 4 Edgar N W Lewis 3 Mary Ann Davis 25 Mary Ann Searle 16
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Andrew
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3 Nov 2010 21:37 |
Marriage of annother daughter??
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Eleanor Lewis Name: Eleanor Lewis Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1854 Spouse Name: Frederick Nesbitt Kemp Spouse Age: 35 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 04 Aug 1882 Parish: St John, Worlds End County: Middlesex Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Father Name: James Henry Frederick Lewis Spouse Father Name: Thomas Richardson Kemp Andy
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MarieCeleste
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3 Nov 2010 21:43 |
Is there a possibility that Mahala was actually his mistress? Would explain why his marriage record is to Elizabeth and why Emily Rowena is not with him on any census.
Widow was a popular euphemism for unwed mother in those days.
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Mike *
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3 Nov 2010 21:46 |
How do you know that James married Mahala ?
Found this ...........
Marriages Sep 1845 Biddlestone Mahala - Weobley 26 321 Lewis Edward - Weobley 26 321
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Rosie
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3 Nov 2010 21:47 |
Anne-Marie - I have the original marriage certifiacte of my grandmother Emily Rowena Lewis on which her father is stated as James Henry Frederick Lewis - occupation - Solicitor so I know that is the correct person. Elizabeth does seem to be James' wife but maybe I've got the wrong census info ! - you could be right about Mahala being his mistress -
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Ozibird
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3 Nov 2010 21:54 |
This is the Mahala married to Edward.
1851 England Census Name: Mahala Lewis Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Edward Lewis Gender: Female Where born: Eardisley Civil Parish: Kinnersley County/Island: Herefordshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image Registration district: Weobly Sub-registration district: Weobly ED, institution, or vessel: 9b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Edward Lewis 36 Mahala Lewis 33 William Beellestone 9 George Lewis 3 Elizabeth Taylor 33 Jane Taylor 2
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MarieCeleste
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3 Nov 2010 21:55 |
Rosie, it's hunch but I think it works! I think we've all got the right census - just the family was possible spread over two households.
If James HF was an honourable man he may well have acknowledged Emily as his daughter.
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Andrew
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3 Nov 2010 21:56 |
Possible 1841??
1841 England Census about James Lewis Name: James Lewis Age: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1811 Gender: Male Civil Parish: St John Baptist Savoy Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Mary Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Fanny Phillips 20 James Lewis 50 Cecilia Lewis 30 >>>>James Lewis 30 Attorney, not born in county Matilda Lewis 25 Rowena Lewis 20 Sarah Poll 20 Louisa Richards 60
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MarieCeleste
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3 Nov 2010 22:00 |
I think there may be a mention of our chap here: http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?path=sessionsPapers%2F18690503.xml
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Ozibird
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3 Nov 2010 22:06 |
Interesting that Susannah comes from the same area of Sussex as Mahala.
Groom's Name Henry Frederick William Lewis Groom's Birth Date 1841 Groom's Age 25 Bride's Name Susannah King Bride's Birth Date 1845 Bride's Age 21 Marriage Date 10 Mar 1866 Marriage Place Saint Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex, England Groom's Father's Name James Henry Frederick Lewis <<<<<<<<<<< Bride's Father's Name Charles King Indexing Project (Batch) Number M14794-3 System Origin England-VR Source Film Number 1067130 Reference Number 2:R25CRW
1881 England Census Name: Mahala Lewis Age: 67 Estimated birth year: abt 1814 Relation: Mother Gender: Female Where born: Eastbourne, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 41 Croydon Grove Condition as to marriage: Widow
Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon Household Members: Name Age Henry F.W. Lewis 39 - Accountant; London, Middx Susannah Lewis 36 - Brighton, Sussex Mary E. Lewis 13 Bertha S. Lewis 10 Ethell F. Lewis 8 Leonard H. Lewis 7 Arthur E. Lewis 6 Edith F. Lewis 5 Mahala Lewis 67 Esther Rhodes 16
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