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I though you might know about the Stier connection. I viewed the original marriage certificate, which gives her as a Widow with the surname Stier. Both Martha and the witness are living at the same address - 257 Rusholme Road, Brampton. Martha is said to be a Clergyman (?)

Martha married McGuire in Canada, 25 Aug 1924,Brampton, Ontario, Canada.

Are we saying she was married to Steir after Pool but before McGuire.

There is a record for a Martha Steir departing from Liverpool passenger list 1878 - 1960 however I can not view this.

I wonder if that is my Martha?

Still looking at this on and off! Found marriage of Martha in 1924 and assume there was another marriage between Mr. Pool and Mr. McGurie, as she seems to be Martha Stier and one of the witnesses was Mary Jane Stier. Was that marriage in Canada or UK?

Ok no problem

Many thanks for all the information you have found that has been very helpful you deserve a pat on the back.

Very much appreciated

Candis

Still not finding Martha going to Canada though. Keep going off on tangents!

Henry Palfreeman is Mary Janes son from her first marriage.

Mary Jane Kemp nee Pratt was married to George Palfreeman he died in 1855. They were married the 25/11/1850 and had 7 children Henry being the oldest.

for info

1871 England Census
Name: Nancy Kemp
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Christopher
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Clifton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Bootham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 160
Household Members: Name Age
Christopher Kemp 40
Mary Kemp 40
Henry Palfreeman 19
Elizabeth Kemp 11
Dinah Kemp 9
Nancy Kemp 6
Martha Kemp 4
John D Kemp 2 months
Henry G Pepper 19
Charles Unwin 18

I note that Henry Palfreeman is a 'son' of the family

Just about to delete that border crossing with husband Thomas, but you beat me to it! Realised it was wrong.

Hi Choccy no that is not my Elizabeth she married a John Groves

Elizabeth married John Groves31 Mar 1883 York, Yorkshire, John Died in 1886.

There was also another sister Nancy Kemp born 1864 unfortunatley at present I do not have any other information on this sister.

Thanks

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Elizabeth Groves
Gender: Female
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Arrival: 2 Sep 1909
Vessel: Empress of Britain
Search Ship Database: View the 'Empress of Britain' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4763

travelled with children Dorothy aged 15, William aged 11 and Beatrice aged 8.

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Alec Bowker
Birth Date: abt 1901
Age: 20
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 20 Aug 1921
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cherbourg
Ship Name: Olympic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Olympic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 131346


Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 705; Item: 30

UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Dinah Bowker
Birth Date: abt 1861
Age: 60
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 20 Aug 1921
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Cherbourg
Ship Name: Olympic
Search Ship Database: View the 'Olympic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: White Star Line
Official Number: 131346

Source Citation: Class: BT26; Piece: 705; Item: 30

1901 England Census
Name: Alec Bowker
Age: 5 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Dinah
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Bootham
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
John Bowker 39
Dinah Bowker 39
Elizabeth Bowker 14
Reginald Bowker 13
Lucy Bowker 11
Edith Bowker 9
Elise Bowker 6
Christopher Bowker 3
Sydney Bowker 1
***************Alec Bowker 5 months

I wonder then as they were only visiting whether, Martha went to Canada with her first husband.

I have tried free bmd for a death but have been unable to find anything. Is is possible that they could have divorced or something else.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Alec Bowker
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: York
County: Yorkshire - East Riding, Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 4

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Dina Bowker
Gender: Female
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Date of Arrival: 29 May 1921
Vessel: Canada
Search Ship Database: View the 'Canada' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14713

and

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: Aleck Bowker
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Date of Arrival: 29 May 1921
Vessel: Canada
Search Ship Database: View the 'Canada' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-14713

Sorry I don not know that all I know is he married her 2nd husband in Canada 25 August 1924 Brampton, Ontario.

However I have managed to find the following:-
Dina Bowker arriving 1865-1935, Quebec (cannot view record)

Dinah Bowker, UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960, arriving Southampton

Using exact matches options, its possible Dinah was born in 1861 and travelled back to the UK in 1921.
Elizabeth Kemp married John Groves JFM 1883 from Free BMD Vol 9d Page 66

Elizabeth Groves born 1860 travelled from Liverpool to Quebec in 1909 from Find My Past.

Elizabeth and Dinah are Martha's Stisters. I have a photo that My Aunt gave me thats says Her Aunt Martha and her Sister Bessie in Canada date is not known.

Do you know when Martha left UK. Have looked at Canadian passenger lists, but not found her.

Hi Choccy

That I do not know I have been unable to find that out.

Thanks

Sorry it wasn't much help. Did first husband go to Canada with Martha? Not finding a death in the UK.

Thanks Choccy