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My grandfather is Joseph my grandmother is Margaret but without spending another £14.00 on marriage cert copies is there any other way of checking her maiden name.I have checked free bmd for mothers maiden name when registering birth but does not state it by 1895 her youngest (my Dad)
Marriage details oct -Dec 1878 joseph to margaret riley lpool 8b351
in innsep to dec 61
lpool8b261
Margaret dob 1859 bur 2 in jan - mar 58 under riley and 2 under

Well, it's only £7 for a cert - why not send off for your father's birth cert? At least you know his date of birth and where born and that will show his mum's maiden name.

Jill

Hi Jill
Having already paid considerable amount in cert fees for other side of the family can I be sure Dad's birth cert will state maiden name of mother as he was born in August 1895
Thanks
Mary

Well it should do. They normally state father's name and occupation plus mother's maiden name.

Jill

Aren't there some Lancashire BMDs on line somewhere? Have you googled?

Hi Mrs Grumpy
Never tried Google will have a go presume similiar to GR and FreeBMD
Many thanks

KELLY Joseph RILEY Margaret Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/163/111
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1878

KELLY Joseph QUINN Margaret E Liverpool, St. Peter Liverpool 2122LP/67/291
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1877

So whats your Father's name and year born?

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

Hi
Andrew Kelly 1895 August found his family details on 1901 census
Many thanks
Mary

Hi
Tried Lancs BMD no joy
Mary

Mary....
Joseph Kelly married Margaret Rielly at Holy Cross RC Church 1878.
There is a Birth of Andrew P Kelly registered for 1895 Toxteth Park..

Mary is this Joseph and Margaret 1881...with son Philip aged 1yr.
If so then Margarets parents live next door.


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Margaret KELLY Household
Female

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Other Information:
Birth Year
Birthplace Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Age 23
Occupation
Marital Status M
Head of Household Joseph KELLY
Relation Wife
Disability

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Source Information:
Dwelling 12 Trueman St
Census Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341864
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3608 / 64
Page Number 25


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you really do need to send for your father's birth certificate. Other than finding all the details in a baptism record if you knew where he was baptised it is the only certain way of proving his mother's name.

DO NOT pay more than £7 for a certificate.

Not sure if the £14 you referred to in your first post meant for 1 or 2 certificates.

Hi Erin
phillip was not born until 1893/1894.Their eldest child Mary E(llen) born 1882. I have found them on 1891 census when they lived 1,4 Court Adlington Liverpool Ref RG12 Piece 2907 Folio 60 Page 21
Still not sure Margaret maiden name was Quinn/Riley/Reilly
Thanks for helping
Mary

The actual b.cert shows the mother's names - it's just not shown in the index back then, and it's the index you're searching in.

Thanks mgvn and to everyone else whohelped in search
Looks like Dad's birth cert best option
Mary

Mary....Although you say Mary E. was the eldest...How do you know that...was the info. taken from the 1891 Census...? If so dont rely on that being accurate children can be born and have died in the interim periods...
There is a Death of a Philip Kelly aged 6 yrs 1895 listed for L.Pool.
Have a look at the 1911 Census for the number of children J and M had ...it shows living and died.
For ref. Living with Philip Reilly (next door) was Catherine Kelly aged 15yrs
and down at No.9 was John (52) and Mary Kelly (53).

The surname Riley/Reilly/*Rielly* (as per entry in Holy Cross Church Marriage Record) are the way it has been written by the transcriber.

If the family were RC then the "Quinn" marriage should have listed "Registrar attended" .
Let us know how you come on...

Hi Erin
Thanks for your assistance .I do know Mary Ellen was oldest as I remember meeting her ( 1 of the very few relatives I ever met because of a family row) when I was very young. I have found my Dad's family on the 1911 census.My grandmother now a widow Philip and my Dad living with Mary Ellen ( Farrell) as she is now. (RG14PN22127 RG78~PN1311.
My problem is still not knowing Margaret's maiden name and the more I search the more I am becoming convinced they were probably not married until 1881/1882 as she had children in 82/83/85/87/88/90/92/94/95 .I can't believe they would wait a few years and then have 9kids in rapid succession
I knew researching Kelly's would be difficult but did not realise would hit problem immediately.Think I will have to flash the credit card for GRO Dad@s birth cert

many thanksoffice and get