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FannyByGaslight
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9 Oct 2009 19:33 |
Thank you Sid. Now thats out of the way,what is it you are after finding out? Who Georges real parents are?
The birth cert you have gives the addess for the Aupin name on 1861 census,but there are no Aupin births and I dont think it says Aupin on the image anyway. There are no other entries anywhere with that name. The nearest I came was Aubin.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Oct 2009 19:32 |
What's the chance that "Aupin" in 1861 is a mistranscription of Sussex, from the household schedule?
The "ss" with the long first "s" could be misread as the long "p", it's easy to misread an "x" as an "n" ...
Aupin (or even Aupen) is otherwise not a name. They are the only ones in a UK census ever, and there is not a single instance of it in the GR.
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Oct 2009 19:29 |
Sid, you're still not stating a question!
Uncle George Sussex in 1871
Name: George Sussex Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Jemima Where born: Chelsea Civil parish: Poplar
Seems to be this one in 1861
Name: George Sussex Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Son Father's Name: Henry Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Lambeth
Henry Sussex 51 - tallow chandler George Sussex 21 - printer Charles Sussex 19 - porter Emma Sussex 16 William Sussex 14 Henry Sussex 12 John Sussex 10 Alfred Sussex 8 Alfred Sussex 55 Catherine Sussex 75
If so - that George has a brother aged 10 in 1861 who wasn't likely fathering a kid that year. So the relationship to uncle George in 1871 seems a little off, if that's your George Douglas Sussex and his father was John Sussex.
I might wonder whether Jane Douglas and uncle George Sussex were not the parents of George Douglas Sussex, in fact. And he is recorded as "nephew" on the 1871 census out of some excess of discretion.
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The John C Sussex that our George D Sussex (who is 20) is living with in 1881 is the John in the above 1861 census, younger brother of uncle George:
Name: John C. Sussex Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary B. Where born: London, Middlesex, England
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snid
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9 Oct 2009 19:21 |
My I apologize for not thanking you, at my age 75, I should know better. Please forgive me Sid Sussex.
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Oct 2009 18:53 |
Upon looking at the 1881 it would appear that the surname Sussex had a monopoly on being "porters"!
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JaneyCanuck
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9 Oct 2009 18:47 |
Viv thought maybe I could help - but I guess I'd want the answer to the first question first: what are you looking for exactly? And maybe a 'thank you' to Viv ...
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snid
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9 Oct 2009 18:34 |
The address on birth Cert 11, City Garden Row, checks with the address on 1861 Census Both mothers named Jane one Douglas the other Aupin. Birth Cert 1861 Father John occupation Porter Marriage Cert 1886 Father George occupation Porter
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Oct 2009 16:30 |
At last I found him on 1871.
1871 England Census about George Douglas Name: George Douglas Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Road Civil parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Household schedule number: 71 Household Members: Name Age George Sussex 31 Jemima Sussex 31 Ada Mary Sussex 1 Walter Herbert Sussex 3 months George Douglas 10 <<<born City Road on image.
There is no Sussex for his name on the census and he is last on the list. May he have really been born just plain George Douglas and been given the name Sussex by his "UNCLE/s" ? And therefore maybe put down George sussex as his father on the marriage cert as that was who brought him up?
I still dont get how you get him as Aupin in 1861.
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Oct 2009 16:13 |
1881
Name: George D. Sussex Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 3 Charles Buildgs Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Unemployed ************************************************
Are you saying that this 1861 census is the same person? If so how do you come to that conclusion? Name: George Aupin Age: 3 Mo Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Luke Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Oct 2009 15:46 |
It looks to me that you could have two different people on the certs,but why would he be given the middle name Douglas,his mothers maiden name, and have it on the birth and marriage cert then?
What does it say for the fathers occupations on both certs?Are they the same or similar?
If you are after the George that married Caroline Evan/s Then this is him in 1891 mistranscribed.
1891 England Census about George Susser Name: George Susser Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Carolina Gender: Male Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: St James Westminster Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas and St John the Baptist Town: Westminster County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Westminster Sub-registration district: St James Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Susser 31 <<<<<porter as a job Carolina Susser 31 Harry Susser 3 Carolina Susser 1 James Evans 21 <<<lodger.
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FannyByGaslight
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9 Oct 2009 15:32 |
What is it that you are asking for help with exactly please. You dont really say. viv
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snid
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9 Oct 2009 13:56 |
Born 1861 St Luke London. Father John Sussex, Mother Jane Sussex (Douglas) BirthCert. 1861 Census. Mother Jane Aupin aged 29. George Douglas aged 3 months. 1871 Census Geogre Douglas aged 10 lving with his uncle George Sussex. 1881 Census George Douglas aged 20 Unemployed living with John Sussex Married Caroline Evan 1886. St. Thomas Church, St James, Westminster Marriage cert gives father as George Sussex.
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