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UPDATE!!!!!!

Just to let you know where I am.......

I have sent off for the following certificates.......

Mary Jane Patrick - birth certificate

William Henry Usher - Mary Jane Patrick - marriage certificate

Dorothy Patrick - death certificate


I'll let you all know how it goes.


Oh, and thanks again!!

Paul.

Thanx Kirsty

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

never pay more then £7.00 per cert

Thanx for message

Thanks Val

Which is the best site for ordering certificates on-line?

Paul.

Hi again,

I think, Paul, you should get Mary and William's marriage certificate and that will give you hopefully the name of Mary's dad, and how old she was roughly at the time of the marriage.

And get the death certificates for William and Dorothy. If they are correct they will give you the name ( hopefully ) of the informant.

It certainly looks like Mary Jane was a relative of you Dad, a possible aunty. It has been really great working with you. Please keep us informed.


ValT

I have posted one for Jane in 1901on previous page which i think could be Mary Jane. I see above that post you have her birth index sept quarter 1891 so she wouldn't be on that census

Janice, Thank you

can you please look up Mary Jane Patrick b. 1891/92

I'll tell you why when you come back

Thanks.

Paul.

perhaps not coul this be William in 1891
Name: William H Patrick
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George W
Mother's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: St Georges, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: South Claines
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England
Ancestry is taking for ever to open so this is the household

Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Lewis 68 --m-in-law
Benjamin Patrick 6
Elsie M Patrick 4
Emily Patrick 38
Emily T Patrick 16
Florence E Patrick 2
George W Patrick 38
Lilian A Patrick 14
Samuel G Patrick 12
William H Patrick 8

Was she Williams sister ,both William and Dorothy died and Mary was bringing your dad up as her child. Then she met and married William Usher

1901 could be Mary Jane as i havent yet found a Mary
Name: Jane Patrick
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: St John, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Great Malvern
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Name: Sarah Patrick
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Blackheath, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Malvern
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England


Name: George Whatmore
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St Johns, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Great Malvern
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Worcestershire

Congrats, nice result.

Get your certificates to confirm, Dorothy and Mary Jane could not be sisters if Dorothy was formerly Preece?

best regards Deborah

It was fun Paul,
Anytime you need help know where I am,

Please let us know if we were right.

Speak soon

Kirsty

Puzzle solved now what are we going to do with our evenings!!

I can't believe this is just about over. It's been a real adventure and an adrenaline rush.

I am deeply humbled by everyone's involvement. Kirsty.... Christine.... Janice.... Val... and Dea.

Now I know where my place is in my family and now the secret (if it was a secret) didn't die with my Dad. It lives on through me and I shall pass it on so that nobody has anything to be ashamed of or embarrassed about.

Bless you all.... and please stay in touch.


Your friend..... Paul Usher

Proud son of William Henry Patrick Usher 1922 - 1998.

x x x

Kirsty




The riddle has been solved.

Dad's Dad married the sister of Dad's Mom!!!!

Dad's aunty raised him as her owh and never told Dad any different.

I'll message you again as soon as I've finished my bangers and mash!!!


Paul. x

Births Sep 1891 (>99%)
Patrick Mary Jane Worcester 6c 286

Paul,

I think I have the answer

Deaths Mar 1924 (>99%)
Patrick Dorothy 29 Worcester 6c 173

Look at this
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8965&iid=ONS_M19364AZ-1334&fn=&ln=usher&st=d&ssrc=&pid=276570

Then this one

http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8965&iid=ONS_M19364AZ-0999&fn=&ln=Patrick&st=d&ssrc=&pid=277206

I recon you need to order these certificates


Kirsty

Thanks for that, Janice.

I actually have in my possession a Statutory Declaration that Dad signed in 1976.

In it he states that for the avoidance of doubt he wishes to always be known as and be addressed as William Henry Patrick Usher.

He also states that "The Persons whom I understood to be my parents were known to me as William Henry Usher and Mary Jane Usher. Their marriage was solemnised on the 24th day of December 1936. They raised me as a child and I knew no other persons as my parents.

Why was their marriage solemnised in 1936 when Dad was born in 1922??

So, going back to Dad's birth certificate (which I have) his parents are named as William Henry Patrick and Dorothy Patrick (formerly Preece).

If it William Henry's death details that have been found, and Dad was 3 when his Dad died, and assuming Dorothy couldn't cope and gave him up for adoption, then surely Dad wouldn't remember his biological parents.

Do you think I'm right to sumise all that?? What do you think??

Paul.

cannot find a marriage so could one/both have been married ,if thats his death index then William would have been about 40 when your dad was born,Perhaps need that death cert to see if there are any other names on it

Hi Val

I think Dorothy is key in all of this.

Thank you for your thoughts and perceverance (I think that's how you spell it!!)

Talk soon.

Paul.