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Irene

Thank you for your reply - I would never have thought of that solution.

It could be how Mary explained away her first marriage to her new family knowing that it would be most unlikely that any of them would enquire further - she kept them far too busy I was told!

Thank you all for taking the time to do the research which I shall now cut and paste for my friend so that she can decide what to do next............Mavis

Mavis

I asked as it has been suggested by a experienced researcher that the 7 years wait to obtain a death cert may have been because John Wakefield disappeared without a trace - and after 7 seven years it was possible -apparently - to have a person declared "dead" to permit a remarriage of spouse
It is alway possible that he took at least one of the children with him - and moved abroad


Might be an idea to get the death cert and see what is actually said


Irene

Irene,

I haven't asked, but I think it most unlikely. My friend was totally unaware of her mother's first marriage until in her 20's when she needed her birth certificate (to obtain a job with the Post Office) showing a name that didn't agree with what she had been told earlier.
I had no luck with fmp yesterday looking for death or marriage for John B.P. Perhaps I should have left out the B.P as he may have decided not to use them!.......Mavis

Mavis


does your friend have a copy of the death certificate of John Wakefield


Irene

Sorry, couldn't reply sooner - no signal last night.

The information re John Wakefield is only what my friend had from her mother who was a very secretive person (most unlike her admission on the 1911 census). I can only assume that the body was not recovered at the time, but I will ask her tomorrow. It was really the children she was interested in as they would have been her half brothers and sadly she is the last in her line so has no one with whom she can discuss it.
Thank you again Irene and Anne for all your help.
I shall now look for a death or a marriage for John B.P., his being the most unusual name..........Mavis

Mavis

Why could they not issue a death cert if he drowned - was his body never found - have you thought to look in the local newspapers for the time period


Irene

Mavis


Is this his death ( or declared death )

Deaths Jun 1915   
Wakefield  John  36  Strood  2a 925   
Strood is now covering Northfleet

Irene

Mavis

Births Mar 1878   
Wakefield  John Richard N. Aylesford 2a 466   
  
This is a possible birth for John Snr - as N Aylesford covers Northfleet

Irene

Mavis you said this earlier.

Thank you Maureen, I see what you mean. They didn't actually marry until 1915 as Mary had to wait 7 years I believe until a death cert. could be issued. Not sure what her daughter will make of it!!! Very much appreciated.
Kind regards, Mavis

You have to wait 7 yrs for a death cert if you dont know what happened to a spouse,as in they did a runner and you want to remarry by having them declared dead?

Jan

Mary is on the first page with Fred Rayfield as his mistress.
Posted by Maureen in NY.

Up to you if you delete or edit,but it may confuse Mavis if left?

Still looking for John Baden P Wakefield though,unless that is him with the Procknells..

Thank you FBG and brummiejan. Sorry FBG, I got it wrong again - will just add next time.

John Wakefield(snr) drowned (date not known) and I wondered if perhaps grandparents or other relatives had taken them in as they are not with their mother in 1911 as shown earlier in this thread. Perhaps the younger John didn't survive, but I haven't checked this.

Must leave now and I really appreciate all your work...........Mavis

Now you confused me Jan.

That John is born a different time and where did Leslie come into it?

And I thought Mary was shacked up with the Frederick Rayfield bloke on 1911?

I dont see any other likely ones.

There is this John ,but dont think he is yours?


POCKNELL, John Head Married M 48 1863 Labourer Northfleet Kent
PROCKNELL, Emma Wife Married
29 years F 48 1863 Gravesend Kent
HERMATAGE, May Niece Single F 17 1894 Servant Domestic Chatham Kent
WAKEFIELD, John Gradson M 11 1900 School Northfleet Kent

Address:
8 Lawn Road Northfleet

Probably Thomas..

WAKEFIELD, Thomas Inmate Single M 12 1899 School Gravesend Kent


Home For Little Boys Homes For Homeless Boys, HOME FOR LITTLE BOYS AND HOMES FOR HOMELESS BOYS

Address:
South Darenth Dartford Kent


There is also a Bloomfield Wakefield (born 1899,place unknown)with him...John B.P ?

No,thats not him as this is your John B P Wakefield

Births Dec 1900
Wakefield John Baden P Gravesend 2a 540

Mavis.

When adding a further request please can you just add it as a further message.
Editing your original post is confusing as we dont know that you have.

So you would like to try and have these found??

Can I please add a further request to this thread by asking if anyone can find the two children from the first marriage of Mary Wakefield(nee Sully) and these are:-
Thomas Wakefield aged 2 in 1901 and
John B.P. Wakefield aged 7 mths in 1901 Thank you in anticipation............Mavis

1901 for ref

WAKEFIELD, John Head Married M 24 1877 Deputy Of Lodging House
Northfleet
Kent
WAKEFIELD, Mary Wife Married F 20 1881
Bristol
Gloucestershire VIEW
WAKEFIELD, Thomas Son M 2 1899
Gravesend
Kent
WAKEFIELD, John B P Son M 0 (7 MOS) 1901
Gravesend
Kent

Mavis

I would look it up but I do not now have access to 1911 census - but keep nudging up someone will look for you

Irene

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Sorry about the confusion, folks. When I logged on,it wouldn't go to "trying to find" and ended up with "community" which I cannot now replicate!! something odd I think (maybe me?).........Mavis