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I have an Arthur Farmer born 1879 married to an Elizabeth living with his mother Mary Tucker born 1859 and her husband James Tucker in the 1901 and 1911 census in Canton, Glamorganshire, Wales. Mary is listed as being from Thornbury and James Tucker from Bath. I would like to find Arthur's father but i can't find anything. I assume this is Mary's second marriage and that she married someone named Farmer near to when Arthur was born, but i can't find anything on her before her marriage to James Tucker. Any help would be appreciated
Thanks
Wayne Farmer

Is this the 1901


Arthur Farmer
Age in 1901: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation: Stepson
Gender: Male
Where born: Cardiff
Civil parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Divine
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: West Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 332
Household Members:
Name Age
James Tucker 57
Mary Tucker 42
Arthur Farmer 22
Elizabeth Farmer 18
Annie Farmer 2 months

Marriages Dec 1901 (>99%)
Barry Mary Ann Cardiff 11a 670
>>>>FARMER Mary Jane Cardiff 11a 670
Thomas James George Cardiff 11a 670
THOMAS James Geroge Cardiff 11a 670
>>>>>>TUCKER James Cardiff 11a 670

1881 Wales Census
about Mary Farmer
Name: Mary Farmer
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: St Woollos
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Street Address: 5 Winmill Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image

Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Farmer 22
Emily Williams 23

Well that hasn't helped

1881

Mary Farmer
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: St Woollos
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 5 Winmill Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Newport
Sub-registration district: Newport
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Farmer 22
Emily Williams 23

Wow that was quick!
Yep thats the 1901 census and marriage record. I had the 1881 census too but wasn't sure if it was her as there is no sign of Arthur who should be 2 at that time. I wonder where her husband is if she is listed as married too.
I couldn't find either Arthur or Mary on the 1891 census though there is a Kate S from Thornbury married to a Farmer which seems coincidental. Any more?
Thanks guys

Marriages Dec 1899
Farmer Arthur Edwin Cardiff 11a 701
Pook Elizabeth Cardiff 11a 701

Maybe if he is not Illegitimate he will give fathers details on his marriage cert.

This marriage goes with how long he says married on 1911..

Births Mar 1879
Farmer Arthur Edward Cardiff 11a 288

I've got the marriage to Elizabeth Pook too :) so this shows i'm looking in the right places - and i had the birth but the Edward / Edwin thing made me unsure - do you think its likely the same person?
Whats the best way to view the certificate? While i live in Yorkshire, my girlfriend is at uni in Bristol so its easy enough for me to take a trip to Cardiff next time i'm down there.
Thanks again

I will bet my bottom dollar that Arthur Edwin and Arthur Edward are the same one.
Edwin and Edward are favourites to be mixed up like that.

There is no other birth for those names in the whole of Glamorgan for a few years either way.

You will have to send for it from GRO £9.25p

No certs are able to be viewed except the odd few in London .



I've got the marriage to Elizabeth Pook too :)

So do you mean you have the actual cert or just the ref numbers?
If you have the real thing what does it say for his fathers name and occupation?
As long as he didnt make one up of course for the respectability of a father.

Well what i really meant was i found that reference lol
I'm pretty new to all this so don't know what you can and can't look up in person.

Then you need to flex your plastic I am afraid.

To find anything out about him you need at least one of those certs.
2 would be better in case he lies on marriage cert.

And Mary may have lied on 1881 census that she was married.

Only the certs will tell you.

Well i'm a bit skint for now, but i have ordered the marriage cert for Athur :)

Tell me about it Wayne,I have sewn up my pockets as I dont need them.


If you come back here when you have it maybe some more can be found on him.

And its always nice to know an outcome anyhow..

Well
I got the certificate and its better than i could have imagined - got both Arthur and Elizabeth's fathers names :)
Arthur's father John is listed as deceased and the wedding was witnessed by his mother and his stepfather James who at the time were as yet unmarried :)
Thankyou for your help - now to find John and Elizabeth's father George Pook on the census...

Ok so i have the certificate, but i'm still coming up with blanks. Here is the info on the marriage certificate:-

Marriage 14th December 1899

Arthur Edwin Farmer, 21 years, Bachelor, Labourer, 24 Glamorgan Street, Father is John Farmer (deceased), Saddler

Elizabeth Pook, 21 years, Spinster, 24 Stoughton Street, George Pook, Ostler

Witnessed by James Tucker and Mary Farmer (Arthur's mother and stepfather who were soon to marry themselves)

What i don't have in my tree is:- Mary's original surname or her wheareabouts in 1891 or prior to 1881. A marriage date for John Farmer and Mary, a birth date for John or Mary, a death date for John, or any census info on John. Any help with any of these things would be much appreciated...

Definitely a possibility :-)

is there any way to do a search on the address given and see who is living there in 1881?

1871

FARMER, Benjamin Head M 55 1816 Breconshire
FARMER, Eliza Wife F 56 1815 Carmarthenshire
>>>>>Saddler-----FARMER, John Son M 21 1850 Breconshire (Brecon)
FARMER, George Son M 14 1857 Breconshire
MORGAN, William Visitor M 50 1821 Glamorgan
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
5359 Folio:
46 Page:
15

Registration District:
Cardiff Sub District:
Cardiff Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Cardiff (St Mary) Municipal Borough:
Cardiff Address:
Quay Street, Cardiff (St Mary), Cardiff County:
Glamorganshire

1881..No John...

FARMER, Benjamin Head Married M 65 1816 Saddler
Brecknockshire
Wales
FARMER, Eliza Wife Married F 66 1815 Saddlers Wife
Carmarthen
Carmarthenshire
Wales
WILLIAMS, Daniel Boarder Married M 66 1815 Saddler
Montgomery
Montgomeryshire
Wales
DOWLING, Mary A Servant Single F 15 1866 Gen Serv
Newport
Monmouthshire
FARMER, Annie Grand Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Oldham
Lancashire
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
5258 Folio:
112 Page:
54

Registration District:
Newport Sub District:
Caerleon Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Christchurch Municipal Borough:
Address:
Chepstow Road, Christchurch County:
Monmouthshire