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The above married eliza ann railton and had four children, being mable, vernon, eliza ann, and claire
eliza ann remarried, what became of John Dunn
UPDATE 26.2.2011 BIRTH CERT ARRIVED..please can anyone tell me if they can see ELSIE MAY DUNN born 1889 on the 1911 census, yorkshire area. May be living with father John Frederick Dunn.

thanks everyone

Good info about names and places -- now a date or two would help!

Someone here other than family might be able to help you find the answer.

Aha -- for ref, here they are in 1901:


Name: Eliza Annie Gill
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William John
Gender: Female
Where born: Middleton On The Wolds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Middleton On The Wolds
Ecclesiastical parish: Middleton on the Wolds St Andrew
Town: Middleton On The Wolds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Driffield
Sub-registration district: Bainton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 115

Elsie May Dunn 11
Mabel Annie Dunn 6
Vernon Dunn 7
Harry Gee 1
Richard Gee under one month
Eliza Annie Gill 32

The "Gill" in 1901 is of course a mistranscription of Gee.


Marriages Dec 1899
Dunn Eliza Annie Driffield 9d 727
Gee John William Driffield 9d 727
Railton Eliza Annie Driffield 9d 727


For some reason she was recorded under both surnames for the marriage.


Marriages Jun 1888
Dunn John Frederick Driffield 9d 453
Railton Eliza Annie Driffield 9d 453

So John Dunn must have died before the Eliza Annie - Gee marriage and after the Mabel Annie conception:


Name: Mabel Annie Dunn
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Driffield
County: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 354


unless Eliza Annie was committing bigamy and being really blatant about it by reporting both her birth surname and her first husband's surname when she married!

But danged if I can find the death either ...

nudge updated 26.2.2011

1911 census look up PLEASE THANKYOU

THANKS pat, she did become estranged from her family or died, but that doesnt look like her, she must have died before 1911. But we cant find it.

if anyone fancy a go she was born 6th April 1889 driffield yorkshire, Elsie May Dunn. The only one that seems likely is one that died in 1934, but ofcourse Dunn could be her married name I wont know till I buy it.

1911
DUNN, Elsie May Daughter Single F 21 1890 Middleton on the Wolds Yorks

RG number: RG14 Piece: 7099 Reference: RG14PN7099 RG78PN348 RD130 SD2 ED2 SN14
Registration District: Hendon Sub District: Edgware Enumeration District: 2 Parish: Kingsbury
Address: 14 Stag Lane Edgware County: Middlesex

John Dunn, head, 45, has been scribbled out. Could be single, more scribbles,, could be musician, could be concerts various towns, born Hull

Sorry, looked up wrong date first, have deleted it.

Added:
John Dunn signed it, so presumably elsewhere on the night?

Ha Youre a genius thats her, on her birth cert her dad says he is a professor of music, not bad for a 22 year old.

many many thanks Pat

Don't know if you spotted it, but the census form was signed by John Dunn.

John Frederick Dunn was her father, her mum was eliza annie Dunn.

she remarried in 1899 it could be bigamous I dont know, I hope not, othewise I have the wrong surname.

I think John left eliza.

born in Hull on 1911 census (which has been crossed through, although signed by him - states he is single, with 1 child born) - can't read the rest


1901

DUNN, John F Head Single M 35 1866 Music Teacher
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
MILLSON, Henrietta Niece Single F 20 1881
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
4412 Folio:
98 Page:
7

Registration District:
Doncaster Sub District:
Doncaster Enumeration District:
17 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christ Church

Civil Parish:
Doncaster Municipal Borough:
Address:
101, Cooper Street, Doncaster County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

oh my word, what is this man doing, revelations, was divorce common then,shouldnt it say divorced not single??

I forgot to say thankyou.

thankyou choccy

is this him - ?


Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
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Dunn John Frederick Driffield 9d 453
Railton Eliza Annie Driffield 9d 453




1891

DUNN, John F Head Married M 25 1866 Artist Music
Kingston upon Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Annie Wife Married F 23 1868
Turriff
Aberdeenshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2606 Folio:
99 Page:
4

Registration District:
Louth Sub District:
Withern Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Trusthorpe

Civil Parish:
Trusthorpe Municipal Borough:
Address:
Alpha Villa, Belle Vue, Trusthorpe County:
Lincolnshire

Divorce extremely difficult, and unlikely.
Just move on and keep quiet about previous existence.

Added:
divorce rates rose to about 369 in 1890, and 560 in 1900

oh my word that is him, he married again, bet he wasnt divorced bet grandma wasnt either.

wonder where elsie may went then, and why she never contacted her brother sister and mum, its a sad tale, many many thanks to you all

I assumed that was 'Eliza Annie' with John in the 1891 census !

yes choccy my father in laws grandma was eliza annie railton she married John F Dunn...oh no that means he is on the 1891 census twice living with two women is that what you mean??

could he have served a prison sentence for this? he had a daughter and son born with eliza annie after 1891 one I think in 1895 and 1893, was he leading a double life?

thanks to you all, I think it means that the first marriage to eliza annie railton was legal and the second was illegal. So Im still a gee.

fascinating stuff, make you wonder how this can be kept so quiet in a family for so long!!