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continuing that theme....

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1885
CONWAY Michael
MONAGHAN Mary
Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended (this often means registrar attended at RC church which could fit with Irish descent)

Wasn't going to look for anything else until the marriage cert. was bought but that all seems to fit nicely, lancashireann.
Love it when it all falls into place.
Hope the marriage cert. will confirm all this info.
Regards
Catherine

right here we go (I wish I had RC ancestors!!!)

Our Lady RC church Oldham

baptism
Edward Conway of 181 Coppice St Oldham b 28-10-1920 c 31-10-1920
s of James Conway & ..........Ann.. nee Platt
godparents John James Maguire & Rosa (Rose?) Maguire

marriage
10-7-1920 by Alfred Wetherall
James Conway b 8-3-1892 if 181 Coppice St (NB SAME ADDR AS ED's BAPTISM) s of Michael & Mary Conway (nee Monaghan) &
Alexiam Annam (latin version) Platt b 5-8-1894 conversam ad fidum (CONVERSION TO RC??) 9-7-1920 d of Edward & Annae Platt (nee Richards) of 39 Wren St Salem??
witnesses - Jacob(?) Monaghan & Amelia Platt

will look for parents marriage & James baptism shortly - in different book

Our Lady of Mount Carmel & St Patrick

29-5-1885
Michael Conway s of Michael & Jane and
Mary Monaghan d of Michael & Rose
witnesses Jacob(?) Monaghan & Catherine Monaghan

so 1901 census you had at the beginning was the right one (cf RG13/3816/76)

Michael's death?
Deaths Dec 1926 (>99%)
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Conway Michael 62 Oldham 8d 968

So does all that mean that what I found for James Conway all looks to be correct, but that the Alice Ann Platt is not the correct one?

The marriage record that you have, gives parents as:-
Edward & Annae Platt (nee Richards)

so the 1892 marriage for the parents can't be the correct one as the names are Joshua and Ada?

The only marriage I could find for a couple Edward Platt and ? Richards is this one:-
Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
Bilton Eliza Ashton 8d 708
<<<<PLATT Edward Ashton 8d 708
<<<<RICHARDS Hannah Ashton 8d 708
Warnet Henry Ashton 8d 708

PLATT Edward RICHARDS Hannah Leesfield, St. Thomas Oldham CE227/3/60

This would seem to be this family:-


1891 England Census
about Edward Platt
Name: Edward Platt
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Leesfield
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 552 Lees Road

Occupation: Cotton Spinner

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Platt 22
Hannah Platt 22 born: Buxton, Derbyshire
Miles Platt 3
William Platt 1

could be Hannah for the marriage record as all names are written in latin & fairly hard to read - thought it began with A but maybe that is what they put for Hannah

also found the baptism of Rosa at St Mary's oldham d of Michael & Mary nee Monaghan on 17-7-1887 b 30-6-1887

could not find Sabina or james but not all RC records are here in Preston so could have been at a different church

Looks like we've cracked it!
Here they are in 1901 with Alice and Amelia, who was one of the witnesses at the marriage!


1901 England Census
about Edward Platt
Name: Edward Platt
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Lees, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Leesfield St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 606 Lees Road

Occupation: Machine Minder, Cotton Mill

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 323
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Platt 32
Hannah Platt 32
Miles Platt 13
William Platt 11
Charles N Platt 9
<<<<<Alice Ann Platt 6 (born 1895) : Lees, Lancashire
Amelia Platt 3
Edward Platt 1

Well done lancashireann!
How did you get such detailed records?

Had another look at the 1911 census record I found to see who was living with Alice A. Platt and here are the names that came up:-
Last names PLATT
County Lancashire
District Oldham
Other person first names ALICE A

HOUSEHOLD PLATT AMELIA F 1898 13 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT CHARLIE N M 1892 19 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT EDWARD M 1900 11 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT EDWARD M 1869 42 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT EVA F 1911 3 MONTHS Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT FRED M 1911 3 MONTHS Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT HANNAH F 1869 42 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT JOHN M 1905 6 Oldham Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD PLATT JOSHUA M 1902 9 Oldham Lancashire


So we have parents Edward and mother Hannah, and Amelia is also there with brothers Edward and Charles.
If only I'd done that in the first place!

Hi Lancashireann,

Thank you for your help also may i ask a few questions

So lol is Alice's mmn Richards and not lawton wilkinson..?

Why the corresponding marriage for Josh & Ada gather they are family

last one lol
the latin part ..9/7/1902 daughter of EDWARD & Annae Platt..? so is her dad Edward OR Edmund ? only marriage for an edward is to a Hannah Richards 1887 Oldham

Sorry to ask but i cant get my head around it lol

much appreciated Tracy

Edit

All my questions have just been answered by your post
and yes where do you get your details from ? was beginning to wounder where all our Edwards had come from lol

Hi Tracy,

Don't know how lancashireann got hold of such detailed records but from what she has found Alice's parents were Edward and Annae Richards.
I found a marriage record for Edward Platt to Hannah Richards in Ashton under Lyme, and it would seem that this one is the correct one as the 1891 and 1901 census confirms.
Also the 1911 census for Alice A. Platt that I found has her living with this family but it would be worth paying to view this to confirm 100%.

The info for James Conway does seem to have been confirmed by the marriage record.

regards
Catherine

Conway family in 1891:-

Name: Michael Conway
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 69 Terrace Street

Occupation: Police Constable

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham Above Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Michael Conway 27
Mary Conway 28 born: Ireland
Rose Conway 3 born: Oldham, Lancashire
Sabina Conway 11/12
Peter Conway 25 - Ireland - boarder
Patrick Conway 23 - Ireland - boarder
Michael Monogan 19 - Ireland - boarder
Margaret Hogan 18 - Ireland - Visitor

The Michael Monogan is possibly Mary's brother.
and also Peter and Patrick Conway, could well be brothers of Michael?

the details are available in the parish registers , a copy of the appropriate years is held in Preston at Lancs CRO where I have just spent the day (sent the posts from there as I found things)

The one thing I could not find was any record of Michael Conway in Lancs police, which is a shame as the police records give such details as physical appearance, when married, retired, pension, promotions etc. He is described as a police officer in the census but maybe he was retired or belonged to a borough force, rather than Lancs police.

lol Thank you no wunder it was so detailed thanky you for your time ;)

I was told that James dad (Michael)was in the Dublin police force but that cant be right can it? or mybe when they came over to England from Ireland he retired ....early...

Tracy

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I could not find Michael in 1881 so maybe at that point he was a policeman in Dublin and carried on as a policeman when he came to England

Hi, i don,t know if this will be of help to you but i found it on a web-site one day.

IRISH CONSTABULARY.

General registers of service, returns of personnel and intelligence notices,
1816-------1922

TITLE YEARS REEL NUMBERS NOTES
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Service Nos. 1- 4000,v. 1-2 1816-1840 856057

Service Nos, 4001-8000 v3 -4 1840 -1846 856058

Service Nos. 8000 -12000 v. 5-8 1846 -1848 856059

Service Nos. 12001 -15890 v. 7-8 1848 -1852 856060

Service Nos. 15891 - 19640 v. 9 -10 1852 - 1855 856061.

Service Nos.19641 -21530 v. 11 1855 -1857 856062.

Service Nos. 21531 -27200 v. 12 -14 1857 -1861 856063.

Services Nos. 27201 -31000 v. 15-16 1861 -1865 856064

Service Nos. 31001 -35000 v. 17 -18 1865 -1868 856065

Service Nos. 35001 - 39000 v. 19 -20 1868 -1872 856066

Service Nos.39001 -43000 v. 21 - 22 1872 - 1877 856068

Service Nos 43001 - 47000 v. 23 -24 1877 - 1881 856068

Service No. 47001 - 49000 v. 25 1881 - 1882 856069

Service Nos. 49001 - 53000 v. 26 -27 1882 -1888 852088

Taken from the Dublin City Library and Archives,
138-144 Pearce Street,
Dublin 2.
Telephone + 353 1 6744999
They are only up till 1922, when Ireland became a republic.so i would imagine that they may have them in Kew Gardens or Mormons may have them.
Good Luck.
Lily.