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I have spent hours trying to find my paternal grandmother Elizabeth Brett nee Francis.
My grandfather Maurice John Brett has been easier in some ways although he seems to have dropped out of site between the 1881 census and the 1911 census.
These I the details I have with the different spellings of their names.

Morris John Brett born Hundon Suffolk 1866 to George 1825-1875, and Hannah Brett nee Bradman 1821-1882.
Cock Inn Hundon.(Birth certificate and 1871 census)

1881 Maurice John and Hannah(mother) living in Rollo Street Battersea.
I realised recently that the family they are living with are Maurice's sister Mary 1856 and her Husband
Barnard Watts 1849-1886 and their children.

Hannah dies in Battersea 1882 and Maurice disapears.

I found him again on the 1911 census, New Haw Addlington Chertsey. Living with one Herbert Groom and his wife, Louisa Groom nee Brett.
Also from Suffolk, Maurice has a sister by the same name but I have not been able to check this.
Maurice is recorded as being married but not for how long, and I can find no wedding certificate.
There is another Groom who is recorded as a nephew.

1913 my father was born. Graham Maurice Queen Charlottes hospital St Marylebone London.
Father Maurice Brett Butler Domestic Sutton (Surrey) UD.
Mother Elizabeth Brett formerly Francies.Egmont Brighton Road Sutton Surrey.

1915 my fathers brother, Leslie John born in the same hospital in St Marylebone.
Details the same except that Francis spelt this way.

I933 Maurice(Morris) John dies at 76 Eridge Road Croydon (The old workhouse infirmary I believe)
The death certificate has wife as F Brett.

1941 Leslie John killed in action, son of Maurice John and Elizabeth Frances Brett of Reigate Surrey

1943 my parents wedding certificate,
Father Morris John Brett-deceased Witnesses included Elizabeth Francis Brett.
Lots of information but so many Elizabeth Francis but without a marriage certificate I have no idea which one.

Maurice J. Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1870 — Hunton, Suffolk, England
residence: Battersea, Surrey, England
parents: Hannah Brett

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Maurice J. Brett
age: 11
gender: Male
birth year: 1870
birthplace: Hunton, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Son
profession / occupation: General Domestic Serv
address: 14 Rollo St
census place: Battersea, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341150
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 0649 / 40
page number: 16

Hannah Brett

England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Hundon, Suffolk

record title: England and Wales Census, 1851
name: Hannah Brett
age: 28
gender: F
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk
relationship to head of household: Wife
record type:

Benjamin Brett

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: England
parents: Benjamin Brett, Frances Brett

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Benjamin Brett
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 06 Apr 1735
baptism/christening place: Hundon, Suffolk, England
father's name: Benjamin Brett
mother's name: Frances Brett
indexing project (batch) number: C01313-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number:

William Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1875 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
parents: Thomas Brett

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William Brett
age: 6
gender: Male
birth year: 1875
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Son
profession / occupation: Scholar
address: 32 Brunswick Buildings
census place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341336
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1380 / 46
page number: 19

William Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1875 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
parents: Thomas Brett

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William Brett
age: 6
gender: Male
birth year: 1875
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Son
profession / occupation: Scholar
address: 32 Brunswick Buildings
census place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341336
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1380 / 46
page number: 19


Jane Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1856 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Tottenham, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Jane Brett
age: 25
gender: Female
birth year: 1856
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Wife
marital condition: Married
address: 32 Brunswick Buildings
census place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341336
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1380 / 46
page number: 19


Frances Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1835 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Hundon, Suffolk, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Frances Brett
age: 46
gender: Female
birth year: 1835
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Wife
marital condition: Married
address: Sims Farm
census place: Hundon, Suffolk, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341441
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1824 / 81
page number: 6


Sarah Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1866 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Hundon, Suffolk, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Sarah Brett
age: 15
gender: Female
birth year: 1866
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Dau
address: Sims Farm
census place: Hundon, Suffolk, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341441
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1824 / 81
page number: 6


James Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1869 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Hundon, Suffolk, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: James Brett
age: 12
gender: Male
birth year: 1869
birthplace: Hundon, Suffolk, England
relationship to head of household: Son
profession / occupation: Ag Lab
address: Sims Farm
census place: Hundon, Suffolk, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341441
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 1824 / 81
page number:

Joseph Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1874 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Hundon, Suffolk, England



George Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1862 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Hundon, Suffolk, England



Mary Ann Brett

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1872 — Hundon, Suffolk, England
residence: Hundon, Suffolk, England

Thank you very much for these details, particularly William Brett I had not realised that his father was also in the London area.

Let me begin by saying a very big thank you for the information I have already received.
I decided I had to find a new approach to deciding who my grandmother was. A marriage certificate would be one answer but I have run out of ideas. This was not an Irish marriage or a military one. I have considered the fact that both of them may have married previously, that Elizabeth may have been adopted, hence the reason for her always adding Francis to her name.
I have looked for Francis with different spellings, even Elizabeth Francis Francis. A death certificate would help but I sent for one that seemed just right and was not.

If Maurice Brett is recorded as married on the 1911 census, I figured his wife must be somewhere so I searched for Elizabeth Brett and found one that seemed about right, sadly not the one I wanted.
Are there any other avenues I can explore please.

Births Jun 1866
Brett Morris Risbridge 4a 433
No John

Deaths Jun 1933
Brett Morris J 66 Croydon 2a 378
J recorded

No marriage recorded under that spelling.

Have you managed to find the marriage of Herbert Groom and Louisa (as in 1911 census)
I am assuming this could be a second marriage for Louisa, so she will not show under Brett, but no possibles in 1905/1906.
(Just trying to track down where Morris could be hiding)

Added:
Herbert (and Louisa) in 1901:
1901 England Census
Herbert Groom
Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Son Mother's name: Anne Groom Gender: Male Where born: Addlestone, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Chertsey Ecclesiastical parish: Addlestone St Paul Town: Addlestone County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Chertsey Sub-registration district: Chertsey ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 18

Anne Groom 74 mother
Herbert Groom 38
Louisa Brett 40 single visitor domestic Bury St Edmunds

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 591; Folio: 34; Page: 3.

Could you post the 1871 census of Morris with parents George and Hannah?
Thanks

Added:
Hannah Bradnam not Bradman?
Marriages Jun 1848
Bradnam Hannah Risbridge 12 585
Brett George Risbridge 12 585

Does George call himself Frederick?

Ok 1871 census for Hundon

George Brett-Head-Pig dealer-Stansfield-Suffolk
Hannah Wife-49 Hundon-Suffolk
Thomas-Son-14 Stansfield
Louisa-Daughter-12 Stansfield
Maurice(spelt this way)-Son-4 Hundon

I have found a marriage for Louisa and Herbert 1908 Chertsey Surrey.

Herbert groom appears to be Herbert Groom Cains:
Marriages Sep 1908
BRETT Louisa Jane B Chertsey 2a 119
CAINS Herbert Groom Chertsey 2a 119

Anita,
Could you post the full details for 1871, as I still cannot find them on ancestry?
Thanks

Added:
Found them, under Butt on ancestry.

and under Butt in 1851, with the delightfully named daughter Happy.

However, does not help you find grandmother, sorry.

When did the wife of Maurice die,Elizabeth Francis Brett.

Maryb

When and where did you grandmother die?

Snap.

Difficult to be precise. Between 1956 and 1960. Either Redhill Hospital or Reigate at her home. These are very close and are both in Surrey. I think most likely the hospital as we , mum and I visited not long before she died.

What name is on the death between 1956-9

Maryb

Any possibility it was this death:
Frances E Brett
Death Registration Month/Year: 1959
Age at death (estimated): 82
Registration district: Surrey Mid Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 204
(Could be male? Can you remember if she used Francis/Frances at all. or would it definitely be under Elizabeth?)

I think she should really be under Surrey South Eastern, just having problems finding her.