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There was an article in the Darford times but I am guessing you know about this one

Now after her death, daughter Sandra Scotting is trying to find survivors and relatives of the WWII tragedy which left 173 dead, including her grandmother and two-year-old cousin, Barry.

re
Sarah Seabrook 62
Barry Seabrook 2 years 9 months

I have a suggestion

If we create a "Bethnal Green Tube Disaster" tree on GR and we all put the info we find into it GR can then look for Hot Matches

Ann can you do that ??


EvieBeavie - the info from the CWGC site is useful as it has the ages and , relatives and addresses on essential if we are to match the right families.

also the entrance to the Bethnal Green tube station where the crush happened was the Roman Road entrance. Many locals just went down there every night instead of waiting for the warning to go off and have to get out of bed they settled down in the unfinished tube station, got the best pitch etc and that's where they stayed for the night. Part of the cause of the crush was that a lady fell at the bottom of the steps, she was carrying a baby and because the station hadn't been finished there was no centre rail on the stairs and with the blackout people couldn't see the others falling and just kept pushing down inpanic because there were unusual guns firing (new ones being test in Victoria Park, it wasn't bombs as they thought at all) Tragic.

I think it likely that they were the same family, looking at the ages, I think it is 3 generations going down the shelter together.
Anna

Regaring the Mead's

George snr and George jnr appear on the found list

from the CWGC info
Florence = wife of George
Kenneth and Maureen children of George and Florence

living at 7 Peary Place Roman rd

question to Ann - the 2 George's that you have found are they the same Mead family as above?

Yikes.

I suggest we work on the first list first (it's the one I already posted and broke up into chunks), and then check the second list for duplicates and break them up.

I should maybe have not grouped them. Anybody who wants to take just one name/family, feel free! Just post that you're claiming them before starting so we don't duplicate. ;)

Back to my own list:

Name: ASSER, JESSIE LOUISA
Additional information: Daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Sharman, of 152 Grantley Street, Stepney; wife of George Edward Asser, of 44 Newcourt House, Horwood Estate. in Tube Shelter accident.

edit - I missed the parents' names: Sharman

Births Dec 1910
SHARMAN Jessie L Mile End 1c 436

>>> We have a match in trees.

Jessie 1910 Bethnal Green, LONDON (E), London, England

Births Sep 1890
Asser George Edwin Poplar 1c 534

>>> The same GR member has:

George 1890 Hackney, LONDON (E), London, England

And here's the 2nd list:

Bethnal Green Disaster
Victims with some relatives/friends found
March 2009

Name                          Age
Betty Aarons                14
Mary Bailey                   72
Rose Bailey                   41
Ethel Beaken                 53
Eileen Beaken               17
Matilda Beaken             40
Emma Bennett               48
Bessie Bowling              59
Eliza Bowling                 31
Henry Brooks                10
Israel Brookstone           67
Allen Butterfield             3
George Butterfield          28
Lottie Butterfield            28
Iris Clatworthy                 8
Joan Clatworthy               9
Maud Coleman               54
Richard Coleman           34
(known as Bobby or Dickie Corbett)
Mary Fowler                  45
Ethel Grover                  48
Edna Hall                      13
Annie Hall                    52
Irene Hall                        8
Mary Hall                       47
Olive Harris                    17
Lilian Hoye                   13
Margaret Hoye                 7
Louisa Hoye                  44
Rosina Hoye                   19
Joan Hutchinson            10
William Hutchinson          6
Agnes Ingle                  28
Caroline Johnson  14
(known as Ivy) 
Ellen Emma Johnson      6
Sarah Jolly                   51
Henry Julier                  18
Barbara Land                   7
Ronald Lapham               15
Maurice Lazarus              42
Florence Lechmere         66
Thomas Allen Lechmere   66
Thomas Charles Lechmere  43
Jean Maguire                     9






Name                          Age
George Mead Snr              40
George Mead Jr.               12
Alfred Neville                   45
Mary Patterson                44
Iris Perryment                  17 
Sarah Poole                     54
Rose Price                       27
Emily Quorn                    43
Gwendoline Quorn          5
William Quorn                 14
Eileen Redwin                     7
Rose Relf Jnr.                   13
Rose Relf Snr.                   41
Ellen Ridgway                  28
Lilian Sceats                     15
Sarah Seabrook                62
Barry Seabrook  2 years 9 months
Irene Sharp         16 months
Kenneth Sharp                   4
Arthur Shepherd               42
Edith Speight                    47
Lydia Sinnock                   62
Joan Spicer                        4
Tony Spicer                       9
Mary Stevens                     55
Barbara Thorpe                    2
Marie Thorpe                      11
Olive Thorpe                       36
Lilian Trotter                      36
Vera Trotter                         7
Alfred Wood                       60
Elsie Woolnough                37
Olive Woolnough                12
John Yewman                      1


You know you're are bloomin STARS don't you??? thank you. I really must get some sleep, I drive tube trains for a living (ironically) as need to be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed!x

WOW! Is all I can say! I go and put the kettle on and look what you get up to? thank you so much. I have to do it in fits and starts as I work shifts so am off to bed shortly but I will paste the full lists here first. The first is the one with no family found and their ages the second will be the one with some family found (but always room for more!)

Thank you again, I can't get over how helpful so many people are being. I posted this on the internal mail at work and 5 whinged becasue they got the email more than once (and didn't read it) but others have been so helpful like yourselves. Restores ya faith in humanity you lovely bunch!

Here are the first list:

Bethnal Green Disaster
Victims with no known relatives
March 2009

Name              Age
Jessie Asser            33
George Baker        38
Minnie Baker                 14
Eileen Bass                     7
Emily Berger                57
Elizabeth Bendon           38
Irene Bosworth              17
Edith Bosworth              50
Annie Boxer                 24
Jessie Brooks              46
Doreen Chandler           14
Lilian Chandler               31
Charlotte Chapman       25
George Chapman          23
Doreen Collett                11
Rose Collett                   50
Ronald Collett                 8
Patricia Court                24
John Day                       69
Annie Dongrey            22
Rosina Ellam               17
Annie Ellam                44
Frances Ellam              20
Pauline Ellam                 2
Clara Emery                  78
Ivy Ewett                      28
Alexander Fletcher          3
Elizabeth Fletcher         28
Leonora Forbes            57
Irene Forbes                17
Lilian French                29
Carole Geary       5 months
Sylvia Geary                  6
Joe Hales                      53
Rhoda Hammond          44
Leonard Hawley            64
Mary Hayman               19
Emily Higginson            62
Mary Hillier                  61
Ivy Hiscocke                 22
Peter Johns                    7
Eliza Korobenic            33
Anthony Lawson 7
Patricia Lawson              3
Benjamin Leggett           31
Rose Leggett                 31

Name              Age
Roy Leggett                    7
George Lewis                10
Lilie Lewis                    14
Louisa Loftus                15
John Loftus                   13
Charles Mason               50
Ruby Mathers                18
Eliza Mead                     67
Florence Mead               35
Kenneth Mead                10
Maureen Mead                 4
Derek Morris                    6
Florence Morris              30
Jeffrey Myers                   6
Sophie Myers                  41
Doris Newman                   9
George Newman               45
Sarah Newton                  28
William Nixon                  14
Rosina Papworth              27
Sarah Poole                    54
Emily Pusey                   48
Henry Pusey                   50
Joseph Raulinaitis             32
George Reynolds              72
Stella Riddell                   13
Bessie Roche                    42
Eddie Roche                     8
Joan Roche                    9
Ted Roche                    40
William Sear                   50
Dorothy Smith                12
Rose Stretch                  39
William Stretch Jnr.           9
William Stretch Snr.         49
George Tarbuck             45
Louisa Tarbuck               44
Sarah Taylor                   54
James Taylor                   12
Kate Thompson              53
Clara Tilbury                  49
Irene Trayling                 20
Isabella Trice                   39
Maud Vann                       23
Florence Vanner              49
Doris Warrington              16
James Welch                   52
James Whitehead             69
Edna Wilson                     15

I'll put the other list in the next reply, I'm running out of space.

Slow down, Victoria!

What we're after is family members, not death details. You must be looking for the Meads in GR trees as we speak ...

MORRIS

MORRIS, DEREK
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 6
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 25 Montfort House, Victoria Park Square. Son of Florence Maud Morris. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

MORRIS, FLORENCE MAUD
Initials: F M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 30
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Daughter of George Morris, of 25 Montfort House, Victoria Park Square, Bethnal Green. Injured in Bethnal Green Tube Shelter accident; died same day at London Hospital.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: STEPNEY, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

MYERS

MYERS, JEFFREY
Initials: J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 6
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Son of Isaac Myers, of 55 Cleveland Way, Mile End, Stepney, and of Sophie Myers. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH


MYERS, SOPHIE
Initials: S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 40
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Wife of Isaac Myers, of 55 Cleveland Way, Mile End, Stepney. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

Victoria - forest, trees. ;)


What we're supposed to be doing is seeing whether anyone here at GR has any of the victims in their trees.

That way, Anna can contact them about the memorial.

MEAD

the 2 George's are not listed

MEAD, ELIZA
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 66
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Wife of Charles Victor Mead, of 66 Newcourt House, Pott Street. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

MEAD, FLORENCE ELIZABETH
Initials: F E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 35
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 7 Peary Place, Roman Road. Daughter of Ellen Garner, of 50 Surat Street, Roman Road; wife of George Mead. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

MEAD, KENNETH
Initials: K
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 10
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 7 Peary Place, Roman Road. Son of George and Florence Elizabeth Mead. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

MEAD, MAUREEN
Initials: M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 4
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 7 Pearcy Place, Roman Road, Bethnal Green. Daughter of George and Florence Elizabeth Mead. Injured in Bethnal Green Tube Shelter accident; died same day at Mile End Hospital.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: STEPNEY, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

I've got the Mead's right now

Apart from the info from the CWGC what else is required?

Somebody did a bad job on Minnie Amelia Baker's birth reg. This is the parents' marriage.

Marriages Jun 1928
Baker George S (Sayce) Bethnal G. 1c 349
Sayce Annie A (Baker) Bethnal G. 1c 349

I shall look for Annie in trees here.

Births Sep 1902
Sayce Annie Amelia Bethnal Green 1c 202

1911

SAYCE ANNIE F 1903 8 Bethnal Green London
SAYCE JOHN M 1872 39 Bethnal Green London
SAYCE JOHN R M 1895 16 Bethnal Green London
SAYCE MINNIE F 1873 38 Bethnal Green London

Minnie was named for Annie's mother.

Births Dec 1871
Sayce John W. Ham 4a 80
Births Mar 1873
Sayce John Bethnal Green 1c 287
Births Sep 1874
Sayce John Bethnal Green 1c 214

Drat.

In trees at GR:

John 1875 Bethnal Green, England
John 1873 Bethnal Green
John 1873 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, London, England

The person with that last one also has:

JohnR 1892 Bethnal Green, London

>>> making them a pretty good match for the Johns in 1911, father and brother of Annie Amelia Sayce Baker, mother of Minnie Amelia Baker.


edit: Minnie's father

Births Sep 1904
Baker George Stephen Mile End 1c 474

Husband of A. A. Baker, of 90 Braintree Street. in Tube Shelter accident.

Oh dear, Victoria, I guess I just assumed the CWGC site wouldn't have family details for the deaths, if the memorial group didn't have them!

Well that will be another source for names to search GR trees for in addition to what can be found (parents, siblings, children) in the GRO indexes.

You get away from my batch now, and claim your own! I'll see whether the CWGC info produces any more GR matches for the batch I was looking at.

The full details for the surnames mentioned in Anna's post

THIS IS THE LIST WE'RE WORKING FROM

(the FOUND notes are not necessarily up to date so please check the latest posts in the thread)
__________________________________________________________


Jessie Asser 33 - found - 2 GR tree owners PMed by Evie

George Baker 38 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Evie
Minnie Baker 14 - "

Eileen Bass 7 - found, no tree matches (?) (Quoy)

Emily Berger (Beger, Beager) 57 - possible - GR tree owner PMed by Evie

Elizabeth Bendon 38 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Evie

Irene Bosworth 17 - found, no matches in GR trees (Tracey)
Edith Bosworth 50 - (mother of above per CWGC)

Annie Boxer 24 (Knight) - found, tree owner PMed by Tracey

Henry Brooks 10 - found (see Jessie)
Jessie Brooks 46 (Brown) - found, tree owner PMed by Tracey

D.M. Chandler 14 - Doreen Mary - daughter of Lilian
Lilian Chandler 31 (Lankshear) - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Charlotte Chapman 25 - no matches in trees (Jeanette)
George Chapman 23 - found, tree owner PMed byJeanette

Doreen Collett 11 - found - several tree owners PMed by Evie
Rose Collett 50 - "
Ronald Collett 8 - "

Patricia Court 24 (Murphy) - poss IDed, poss match PMed (Evie)

John Day 69 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Annie Dongrey 22 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Rusina Ellam 17 - contact received from GR member via hot matches
Annie Ellam 44 - "
Frances Ellam 20 - "
Pauline Ellam 2 - "

Clara Emery 78 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah & Tracey

Ivy Hewitt 28 (Ewett?) - prob found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Elizabeth Fletcher 28

Leonora Forbes 57 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah
Irene Forbes 17 - (daughter of above per CWGC)

Lilian French 29

Carole Geary 5 months - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy
Sylvia Geary 6 - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Joe Hales 53 - no matches in trees (Deborah)

Rhoda Hammond 44 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

Leonard Hawley 64 - found - no matches in trees (Evie)

Mary Hayman 19

Emily Higginson 62

Mary Hillier 61 - poss. found, tree owner PMed by Tracey

Ivy Hiscocke (Hiscoke) 22 - found (birth surname Hook) - 2 tree owners PMed by Evie

Peter Johns 7 - found, no matches in trees (Deborah)

Estella Jones age 57 (Davies) - found, no matches in trees (Tracey)

Eliza Korobenic 33 - found - tree owner PMed by Victoria

Martha Land age 56 (Peck) - found, tree owners PMed by Tracey

Anthony Lawson 7
Patricia Lawson 3

Benjamin Leggett 31
Rose Leggett 31
Roy Leggett 7

George Lewis 10 - found - tree owners PMed by Jeanette
Lilie Lewis 14 - "

Louisa Loftus 15 - no matches in trees (Deborah)
John Loftus 13 - "

Charles Mason 50

Ruby Mathers 18 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

Eliza Mead 67 - group found - tree owner PMed by Victoria
Florence Mead 35
George Mead Snr 40
Geroge Mead Jr 12
Kenneth Mead 10
Maureen Mead 4

Derek Morris 6
Florence Morris 30

Jeffrey Myers 6
Sophie Myers 41

Doris Newman 9
George Newman 45

Sarah Newton 28 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

William Nixon 14 - found, no matches in trees (Deborah)

Rosina Papworth 27 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Sarah Poole 54

Emily Pusey 48 - no matches in trees (Janice)
Henry Pusey 50 - "

Joseph Raolinaitis 32 (many spellings) - no family, no matches in trees (Evie)

George Reynolds 72

Stella Riddell 13 - no matches in trees (Jeanette)

Bessie Roche 42 = Rhoda (Smith) Roche c1910?
Eddie Roche 8 = Edmund Roche 1936
Joan Roche 9 = Mary J Roche 1933
Ted Roche 40 = Edmund Roche

William Sears 50

Dorothy Smith 12 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Rose Stretch 39
William Stretch Jnr. 9 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah
William Stretch Snr. 49 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

George Tarbuck 45
Louisa Tarbuck 44

Sarah Taylor 54 - found (see Newton) - tree owner PMed by Jeanette
James Taylor 12

Kate Thompson 53

Clara Tilbury 49 - found - 4 tree owners PMed by Jeanette

Irene Trayling 20

Isabella Trice 39 - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Maud Vann 23 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Florence Vanner 49 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Doris Warrington 16 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

James Welch 52 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

James Whitehead 69 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Edna Wilson 15 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

BAKER, GEORGE STEPHEN
Initials: G S
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 38
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Husband of A. A. Baker, of 90 Braintree Street. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

BAKER, MINNIE AMELIA
Initials: M A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 14
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: Daughter of A. A. Baker, of 90 Braintree Street, and of George Stephen Baker. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

I found this on the commonwealth war graves commission site
unfortunately it is not possilble to search for a particular date and when I out in 1943 for civilian uk there are over 5000 results!

BOSWORTH, EDITH PRISCILLA
Initials: E P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 50
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 10 Burnham Estate, Globe Road. Daughter of Mrs. P. Rudd, of 36 Hemming Street; widow of William Bosworth. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

BOSWORTH, IRENE PRISCILLA
Initials: I P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 17
Date of Death: 03/03/1943
Additional information: of 10 Burnham Estate, Globe Road. Daughter of Edith Priscilla, and of the late William Bosworth. in Tube Shelter accident.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: BETHNAL GREEN, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

Next up:

Emily Berger 57

No luck finding a Berger-Emily marriage, or Emily Berger birth. I think we'll ignore middle-aged women for now. ;)

Elizabeth Bendon 38

Births Dec 1904
Bendon Elizabeth Matilda Bethnal G. 1c 183

>>> And look here! A GR member has her in his tree:

Elizabeth 1904 2 Digby Street Bethnal Green


How's that for not too much effort so far? One out of five isn't *too* bad!