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BETHNAL GREEN TUBE DISASTER~3rd March 1943

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Bethnal Green Disaster 1943

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943 Report 16 Mar 2009 06:24

Anna

Do you have anymore info on Lilian French, such as was she married ???

Victoria

Quoy

Quoy Report 16 Mar 2009 07:33

ISABELLA TRICE nee LAZARUS tree owner contacted sent him annas addy
sent him BGT site to look at

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943 Report 16 Mar 2009 08:12

Evie's list with annotations from today


Jessie Asser nee Sharman 33 - found - 2 GR tree owners PMed by Evie

George Baker 38 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Evie
Minnie Baker 14 - "

Eileen Bass 7 (Irene Dorothy Margaret) - found, no tree matches (?) (Quoy) (Irene Dorothy Margaret)

Emily Berger (Beger, Beager) 57 - possible - GR tree owner PMed by Evie

Elizabeth Bendon 38 - found - GR tree owner PMed by Evie

Irene Bosworth 17 - found, no matches in GR trees (Tracey)
Edith Bosworth 50 - (mother of above per CWGC)

Annie Boxer 24 (Knight) - found, tree owner PMed by Tracey

Henry Brooks 10 - found
Jessie Brooks 46 (Brown) – not related to Henry above found, tree owner PMed by Tracey

D.M. Chandler 14 - Doreen Mary - daughter of Lilian
Lilian Chandler 31 (Lankshear) - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Charlotte Chapman nee Barr 25 - no matches in trees (Jeanette)
George Chapman 23 - found, tree owner PMed byJeanette

Doreen Collett 11 - found - several tree owners PMed by Evie
Rose Collett nee Froggit 50 - "
Ronald Collett 8 - "

Patricia Court 24 (Murphy) - poss IDed, poss match PMed (Evie)

John Day 69 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Annie Dongrey 22 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Rusina (Rosina) Ellam 17 - contact received from GR member via hot matches
Annie Ellam 44 - "
Frances Ellam 20 - "
Pauline Ellam 2 - "

Clara Emery nee Fennell 78 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah & Tracey

Ivy Hewitt 28 (Ewett?) (Mary Kathleen Ivy Hewitt) - prob found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Elizabeth Fletcher nee Ridley 28
Alexander Fletcher 3 (son of Elizabeth)

Leonora Forbes 57 nee Hillman - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah
Irene Forbes 17 - (daughter of above per CWGC)

Lilian French 29 - Deborah researching also Tracey

Carole Geary 5 months - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy
Sylvia Geary 6 - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Joe Hales 53 - no matches in trees (Deborah)

Rhoda Hammond 44 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

Leonard Hawley 64 - found - no matches in trees (Evie)

Mary Hayman 19 Quoy researching

Emily Higginson nee ?? 62

Mary Hillier nee Mayhew 61 - poss. found, tree owner PMed by Tracey

Ivy Hiscocke (Hiscoke) 22 - found (birth surname Hook) - 2 tree owners PMed by Evie

Peter Johns 7 - found, no matches in trees (Deborah)

Estella Jones age 57 (Davies) - found, no matches in trees (Tracey)

Eliza Korobenic nee Mead 33 - found part of the Mead family ( Victoria)

Martha Land age 56 (Peck) - found, tree owners PMed by Tracey

Anthony Lawson 7
Patricia Lawson 3

Benjamin Leggett 31 - Janice researching
Rose Leggett nee Gable 31 “
Roy Leggett 7 “

George Lewis 10 - found - tree owners PMed by Jeanette
Lilie Lewis 14 - "

Louisa Loftus 15 - no matches in trees (Deborah)
John Loftus 13 - "

Charles Mason 50

Ruby Mathers 18 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

Eliza Mead 67 - group found – Anna already in contact with George Mead family
Florence Mead 35
George Mead Snr 40
Geroge Mead Jr 12
Kenneth Mead 10
Maureen Mead 4

Derek Morris 6 son of Florence – Victoria researching
Florence Morris (unmarried) 30 - “

Jeffrey Myers 6 - Victoria researching
Sophie Myers 41 - Victoria researching

Doris Newman 9 daughter of George
George Newman 45

Sarah Newton 28 - found - tree owner PMed by Jeanette

William Nixon 14 - found, no matches in trees (Deborah)

Rosina Papworth 27 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Sarah Poole nee ?? 54 -

Emily Pusey 48 - no matches in trees (Janice)
Henry Pusey 50 - "

Joseph Raolinaitis 32 (many spellings) - no family, no matches in trees (Evie)

George Reynolds 72 Tracey researching

Stella Riddell 13 - no matches in trees (Jeanette)

Bessie Roche 42 = Rhoda (Smith) Roche c1910? Evie researching
Eddie Roche 8 = Edmund Roche 1936
Joan Roche 9 = Mary J Roche 1933
Ted Roche 40 = Edmund Roche

William Herbert Sear 50 – Deborah researching

Dorothy Smith 12 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

Rose Stretch nee Bishop 39 wife of William
William Stretch Jnr. 9 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah
William Stretch Snr. 49 - found - tree owner PMed by Deborah

George Tarbuck 45 -
Louisa Tarbuck nee Ward 44

Sarah Taylor 54 - found (see Newton) - tree owner PMed by Jeanette
James Taylor 12 - Jeanette researching

Kate Thompson nee ?? 53

Clara Tilbury 49 - found - 4 tree owners PMed by Jeanette

Irene Trayling nee Marshall 20 Janice researching Pm sent by Tracey

Isabella Trice nee Lazarus 39 - found - tree owner PMed by Quoy

Maud Vann 23 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Florence Vanner nee Rood 49 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Doris Warrington 16 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

James Welch 52 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

James Whitehead 69 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Edna Wilson 15 - found - tree owner PMed by Janice

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943 Report 16 Mar 2009 08:17

todays updates are in

Bass
Bosworth Irene
Brooks Jessie
Chandler
Chapman C
Chapman G
Collett
Court
Ellam
Hillier
Johns
Jones
NIxon
Reynolds (need more info)
Roche
Taylor James
Trayling
Wilson


423 people now in tree so we have added 249 relatives

signing off for the day, also am not available on Tuesday and maybe not Wednesday

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943

Bethnal Green Disaster 1943 Report 16 Mar 2009 08:19

Evie

potential match with Roche family re James Smith b Hackney

tree owner Malcom

can you check please

cheers

jansmith

jansmith Report 16 Mar 2009 08:26

UPDATE
Benjamin LEGGETT FAMILY below sent to tree
CONTACT SENT TO PEOPLE WITH SARAH AND JESSIE IN THEIR TREE

Parents of Benjamin George Leggett
Marriages Dec 1906
Coker Levinia /Leggett Benjamin
1901 Coker Family
John Coker 55
Elizabeth Coker 52
Edward Coker 18
George Coker 16
**Lovinia Coker 14 Where born: Old Ford, Alma Rd
Bert Coker 11
Sarah Coker 10
Jessie Coker 6


Cannot confirm Leggett family in 1901

WIFE of Benjamin who also died
(Rose M Leggett nee Gable)

Births Mar 1911

Gable Rose M Romford
1911 census
GABLE ALICE F 1908 3 Romford Essex
GABLE CHARLOTTE F 1883 28 Romford Essex
GABLE CHARLOTTE F 1907 4 Romford Essex
GABLE ROSE F 1910 5 MONTHS Romford Essex
GABLE THOMAS M 1885 26 Romford Essex
NO contacts found

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Mar 2009 08:48

James Smith (Rhoda's father/Roche family).

The member Malcolm with James Smith in his tree gives birth place as Belvedere, Kent, so maybe not.

On the other hand there is a member Jo who gives James Smith b 1880 Bethnal Green, I will pm to see if she recognizes the family.

Deborah

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Mar 2009 09:58

SARAH MARIA HOVER POOLE- FOUND.

Info sent to tree, searching matches.
EDIT one match on ancestry, email sent.No GR matches.

Anna

Anna Report 16 Mar 2009 10:15

In reply to question from Victoria, "was LILIAN FRENCH married", sorry Vic, I don't know. No extra info on the list.

I have had an email from ELIZABETH BENDON's 2nd (?) cousin......she was his maternal grandfather's niece. Also a confirmation that ROSINA PAPWORTH was ELIZABETH's cousin, was 6 months pregnant (and abuot to be evacuated to Hertfordshire) and her 4 year old daughter survived and was found sitting on a bench in the park next door (Victoria park known as Barmey Park).

WOW!

Anna.x

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Mar 2009 10:29

EMILY HIGGINSON

Edit Info sent to tree, GR members found

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 16 Mar 2009 10:52

Just want to query something I have just come across while googling.

QUOTE
The most famous casualty was former British boxing champion Dick Corbett-real name Richard Trueman Ford -who fought under the nom du ring of ''Dick Corbett''.
Corbet-t killed in the Bethnal Green tube station crush while serving as a Civil Defence warden- beat American world featheweight title holder, Petey Sarron in a non-title fight pre-war.
A bomb detonating provoked the panic that cost Dick Corbett his life but miraculosly when they discovered Dick CORBETT'S BODY-HE WAS THE LAST PERSON TO BE FOUND among the crush-he was clutching a baby who was still alive thanks to hero Corbett protecting it as he was swept down the Tube statioon in the ensuing panic.

In your found list you have

Maud Coleman 54
Richard Coleman 34
(known as Bobby or Dickie Corbett)

They seem to be referring to the same person but the names do not quite match.

Anna

Anna Report 16 Mar 2009 11:28

Just a quickie, Christine, as I'm off to work. The contacts I have on my list for Dickie Corbett is Len Goodman (of Strictly Come Dancing fame) and a Jackie Capper. Hope that's of some help.
Anna.x

Deborah

Deborah Report 16 Mar 2009 13:35

2 possibles for Charles Mason, no closer to which he could be?

1911 census

MASON, CHARLES HEAD SINGLE M 29 BREWER BOULING DEPARTMENT GEORGE YARD WHITE CHAPEL

HUMPHRIES, ANN GRAND MOTHER MARRIED F 89 HAWKER OF CHINA SHOREDITCH LONDON

MASON, SARAH SISTER SINGLE F 24 RAY SORTER WHITE CHAPEL LONDON

MASON, EMMA MOTHER WIDOW F 62 CHINA HAWKER WHITE CHAPEL ( nee Osborn) Husband Robert Thomas Mason

ALSO:

MASON, CHARLES HEAD MARRIED M 30 FRENCH POLISHER LONDON BETHNAL GREEN

MASON, ELIZABETH WIFE MARRIED 8 F 30 LONDON BETHNAL GREEN (nee Nix)

MASON, CHARLES REGINALD SON M 6 SCHOOL LONDON BETHNAL GREEN

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 16 Mar 2009 15:36

ROCHE - Deborah thank you for taking over on them, I won't be able to do any more searches for the next few days.

COLLETT- Anna !!! - reply from tree owner -- the family of a close family member of the Colletts is involved with the Memorial already.

Jessie Sharman ASSER - member of husband's family very interested, will contact the Trust.

ETTRIDGE - wrong person in GR tree.

Above info being sent to Victoria.

ANCESTRY TREES - I see a contact has been made through there -- thanks for mentioning that possible resource, I kept forgetting to.
(I had tried there for Joseph Raulinajtis of the many spellings, to no avail -- the advantage of Ancestry is that it does fuzzy searches.)


UPDATES -- please refer to Victoria's list on page 14 and her list of as-yet unresearched names on that page. I will update the master list on page 1 to reflect the latest work later today.

I think many of us will be busier as of today Monday, so I suggest we can take a bit of a breather. ;)

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 16 Mar 2009 16:02

just to let you guys know i have work tonight and tomorrow night, If i get a chance i'll go back through mind tomorrow daytime

T xx

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 16 Mar 2009 16:19

Christine - re DICK COLLETT / Richard Trueman Ford

Births Dec 1908
Coleman Richard Truman F
Bethnal G. 1c 158


Ford may have been his father -- parents not married, father's surname given as middle name (the usual pattern) -- and he subsequently went by that surname.


It seems like the two Colemans in the list aren't actually related.

COLEMAN, MAUDE LOUISA
Wife of Edward George Coleman, of 236 Globe Road.

COLEMAN, RICHARD
of 12 Whitman House, Roman Road. Son of Henry Coleman, and of the late Elizabeth Coleman husband of Lilian Rose Coleman.


So maybe Ford wasn't his father's name, hmm. He just dropped the Coleman for some reason!

Quoy

Quoy Report 16 Mar 2009 18:08

doing NEWMAN
found up to now
Doris L Newman bSep qua 1933 Bethnal Green daughter of George John Newman and Louisa E Newman 24 Tagg Streeet
both Bethnal Green.

Have not found a marriage yet between Louisa and George

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 16 Mar 2009 20:33

COLLETT - another reply, from the Froggitt side of the family (Rose Emma Collett born Froggitt). She was very interested to hear about the memorial and Rose's connection with the disaster, and will be in touch with the Trust.

LadyKira

LadyKira Report 16 Mar 2009 21:26

Just asked one of my elderly patients today in passing if he remembered the BGT Disaster. I was astounded when he said he was less than a 1/4 mile away fire watching in his factory on the Mile End Road. He remembers being hugged by people when they saw him as they were so relieved. He was also friends of the Daily Star reporter who witnessed the disaster. He said they were told not to speak about it but his friend was distressed at not being able to report it.

EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 16 Mar 2009 21:42

Very interesting Christine! Someone from the Trust ought to interview him on video, seriously.

The Froggitt family member said: "We always thought that Rose and her children died in an air-raid. We didn't realise they were lost in the Bethnal Green disaster. Perhaps this was part of the official cover-up that has been passed down through family histories."

Indeed it must have been.