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you are wrong I only got this info the weekend, from someone who e-mailed me, plus I am really looking for info on john and sarah like where they married etc, what I got tonight , I will now look up, to see if they can be connected even though the name spelling is wrong

This is where I just want to delete every post of mine in the thread ...

I knew I had looked up that last census before

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1235841

jax

So I was wasting my time because you had all this info you didn't give. Oh well.

And I'm still dammed if I can find the family in 1851 ... probably not least because I don't know where they are. Bunnages just don't help.


... Well, actually, finding Emma Bunnage did help. Because this is who is on the same page:

Name: William Smucker
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Saunders
Mother's Name: Sarah Saunders
Gender: Male
Where born: Berkhamsted, Hertfordshire, England

Civil parish: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire

John Saunders 29 - Bonnet Maker (quite a change in occupation)
Sarah Saun ders 37 - Straw Bonnet Maker
William Smucker 4
James Smucker 9
Hannah Sawada 7
John Saunders 5
Thomas Saunders 3
Sarah Launders 12


At least if one asks Ancestry.

Presumably you're not using Ancestry, or you would have mentioned that.

If you are, it would be wise to correct those various silly surnames, so that anyone else looking for William, like a descendant of his or anyone else who found it as impossible as I did, can find the household.

Also his date of birth, since the image says 11, not 4. I'm pretty sure that (even) I would never have found him ... different location (not Great Berkhamstead), different name, different age ...


Well, maybe I got the marriage right -- did you not find that at FreeBMD when you searched? If so, it will give fathers' names. You should be able to tell whether it's the right certificate, from John's occupation.

yes, william was born in the pub his father john is down as a servant, john is my GGG granfather, and there is a census of the family 1851, listed just under bunnage family, whom william married the daughter emma, my father always said that his family of saunders are not localish, although up till now they are all in and around herts/beds.

Deaths Dec 1840 ?
SAUNDERS John Berkhamstead 6 339
SAUNDERS John Berkhampstead 6 _34

(could be the same one, I haven't checked the image)


Marriages Jun 1842 ?
EKINS William Biggleswade 6 79
PRESTLAND Rachel Biggleswade 6
RHOADES Mary Biggleswade 6 79
RICHARDSON Elizabeth Biggleswade 6 79
SAMUEL William Biggleswade 6 79
> SAUNDERS Sarah Biggleswade 6 79
STORTON John Biggleswade 6 79
VIRLEY Robert Biggleswade 6 79

Marriages Sep 1844 ?
COX Benjamin Biggleswade 6 103
GENTLE Edward Biggleswade 6 103
> SAUNDERS Sarah Biggleswade 6 103
SAUNDERSON Sophia Biggleswade 6 103


1851 ?

Name: William Storton
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Storton
Mother's Name: Sarah Storton
Where born: Biggleswade, Bedfordshire, England
>> no birth registration to account for him

Civil parish: Biggleswade
County/Island: Bedfordshire

John Storton 36
Sarah Storton 29
William Storton 10
Charles Storton 7
John Storton 4
Caroline Storton 1


Yes.

Can't guarantee this is *your* William Saunders, but --

1861 in Biggleswade

John Storton 47
Sarah Storton 39
>> William Saunders 21
Charles Storton 17
John Storton 14
Caroline Storton 11
Alfred Storton 5
Walter Storton 2

Marriages Jun 1840
> FOSTER Sarah Luton 6 131
IMPEY Thomas Luton 6 131
ROONE Ann Luton 6 131
> SANDERS John Luton 6 131

Just in time.


1841 ?

Name: William Sanders
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Bedfordshire, England

Civil parish: Biggleswade
County/Island: Bedfordshire

Sarah Sanders 20
William Sanders 1


The image clearly says Saunders for William, who is on the next page from Sarah Sanders. They seem to be lodging in the household of a Samuel Warner? and no occupation is stated for Sarah.

Sallyann, we've never established what your connection to this William Thomas Saunders is, and how you came by info about him in the first place. Are you descended from him?

What can you tell us about him in later life, then? Marriage, census records ...? To see how he reports his place of birth, for instance.

I find this 1851 household interesting:

John Saunders 63 - farmer
Charlotte Saunders 55
John Saunders 21
Daniel Saunders 20
George K Saunders 18
Charlotte E Saunders 15
William L Saunders 12 - born St Michael, Hertfordshire, England
Henry Smith 19
Alfred Panter 16
Civil parish: St Albans St Michael
Registration district: St Albans

because there is no William with them in 1841 in the same place:

John Saunders 45
Charlotte Saunders 40
John Saunders 11
Daniel Saunders 10
Geo Henry Saunders 9
Charlotte Emg Saunders 5


... although he is likely William Lucas Saunders reg Q4 1838 St Albans ...


I just wonder, with the addess at birth being the pub, whether maybe his mother was employed there, and perhaps wasn't actually married to Mr Saunders.

thanks anyway, its all ways worth a try, I will have to do foot work now,

Nope, no one has anything. Unless some person who has done extensive research into this family happens by and lights on your thread. This seems unlikely to me, but you never know.

Have you searched at all the places that anyone else here would search at?

There's just nobody in the 1841 in Great Berkhamstead who looks like ...

hi, everyone, I finally got the birth cert for the william saunders, I was looking for and his middle name is thomas, born 29th july 1840, fathers name john saunders, mothers name sarah saunders nee foster, lived at time of birth "the star and garter beer house, great berkhamstead, herts.
does anyone have anything on this john and sarah, not the john married to sarah pearman, many, many thanks to all, Sally

yes birth cert is ordered, but this is what I was told by a relative as john and sarah (pearman) have different children, thats why I need the birth cert to confirm

And you understand this ... because ...?

If you have a source, why not give it?

Have you searched for confirmation at all the places that anybody here would search?

........ ?

Thought you were ordering the birth certificate. That's where the info will be.

I understand that williams parents are john and sarsh but her maiden name is Foster, and that william born1840 in the Star and Garter beer house, great berkhampsted, herts, anyone have anything on that

Conflicting info

JOHN SAUNDERS
Spouse: SARAH PEARMAN
Marriage: 24 NOV 1833 Ippollitts, Hertford, England
Batch No.: M072531

JOHN SAUNDERS
Spouse: SARAH PEARMAN
Marriage: 01 DEC 1833 Offley, Hertford, England
Batch No.: M048771


We had one already today that was a CofE wedding followed two days later by an RC wedding (or vice versa) -- could this be another one?

Hugh Wallis doesn't specify churches in the parish batch number listings:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/
CountyHertford.htm#PageTitle


http://www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/HRT/Ippollitts/index.html

http://www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/HRT/Offley/index.html

And then there's the good old IGI ...

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/igi/individual_record.asp


WILLIAM THOMAS SANDERS
Birth: 29 JUL 1840
Christening: 06 SEP 1840 Great Berkhampstead, Hertford, England
Father: JOHN SANDERS
Mother: SARAH
Batch No.: C008074


Lost sight of the forest for the trees, I did.

Madmeg ... a day late and a dollar short!

Well, an hour late, anyhow. ;)

several trees on ancestry give these as parents



John Saunders
1812 – 1883

Sarah Pearman
1809 – 1865



1833
24 Nov
Age: 21
Marriage to Sarah Pearman
Ippollitts, Hertfordshire, England

ok, madmeg, will do that.

ok, madmeg, I will look into that, is it the same price?